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Waves is CRAZY! [message #210788]

Sat, 06 January 2007 15:13

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$12,000 for the new Mercury bundle! That's a joke right?
Who is going to spend 12 grand on software?

Waves really needs an a la carte situation, where you aren't paying full price for every single plug. Like a build your own bundle deal or something.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #210848 is a reply to message #210788 ]

Sat, 06 January 2007 21:37

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Actually it's $500 more than that for the TDM version.

But the Native version is only $7,500.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #210873 is a reply to message #210848 ]

Sun, 07 January 2007 00:53

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most of the waves plug-ins are useful to me.
mercury breaks down to less than $150. per plug-in for the native versions.
i think it is a fair price.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #210930 is a reply to message #210788 ]

Sun, 07 January 2007 12:26

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J. Fisher wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 21:13

$12,000 for the new Mercury bundle! That's a joke right?
Who is going to spend 12 grand on software?

Waves really needs an a la carte situation, where you aren't paying full price for every single plug. Like a build your own bundle deal or something.

I have close to that much invested in all my plug ins.
Waves isn't much for giving out deals, are they?
BTW, if you check with your local dealer, you can get a better price than directly through the Waves web store.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #210941 is a reply to message #210930 ]

Sun, 07 January 2007 13:06

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right.. they wouldn't undercut their dealers. and the street price tends to be lower.

if one is a waves user, they do get offered special deals: usually there is a different one every month. i think this month, it's 20% off gold...

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #211430 is a reply to message #210788 ]

Mon, 08 January 2007 23:34

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They certainly never appreciate in value though, do they?

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #242997 is a reply to message #211430 ]

Sat, 05 May 2007 03:07

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zmix wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 16:34

They certainly never appreciate in value though, do they?

What audio gear does?
At least you wont have to take the software off to a tech.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #243311 is a reply to message #242997 ]

Mon, 07 May 2007 02:43

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hello to the n.a.r.a.s members among us. stop your sobbing. waves offers a 50% discount 4 u. even "group buys" can't beat this crazy value.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #243536 is a reply to message #242997 ]

Mon, 07 May 2007 23:21

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Revolution wrote on Sat, 05 May 2007 04:07

zmix wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 16:34

They certainly never appreciate in value though, do they?

What audio gear does?
At least you wont have to take the software off to a tech.

Thanks for the question. Most really professional and proven gear will appreciate in value. Mine has Twisted Evil

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Microphones - u 47, u67
Preamps- Neve 1073 etc
Compressors - 1176 etc
Speakers (for example NS-10s go for double what I paid for mine).
Let's not even begin to talk about instruments.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #243553 is a reply to message #210788 ]

Tue, 08 May 2007 01:07

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good god 12k for a plug-ins bundle!!

I have used waves, do not own them.

I admit they seemed to sound much better then a DD plug-in.....

But, are they really worth spending 12k?
or even 6k at 50% off?

Do they really make a 6 grand change to the untrained ear?

Is it not possible to make great sounds without this huge investment?

I for one do not believe that plug-ins make enough of a difference
to spend that ungodly amount of $$$....unless you truly have the money to make it sound that much better

maybe I am wrong though

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #243573 is a reply to message #243553 ]

Tue, 08 May 2007 05:51

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I figure most people won't use all those plug ins, making the package overly expensive.

For a high profile studio things are different, however. Clients come in with all sorts of projects, and will complain if you do not have the same plug ins. This kind of a bundle is probably necessary in this case.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #244571 is a reply to message #243573 ]

Sat, 12 May 2007 15:52

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to put it in perspective, here are some things i do not need myself (or do i?):

a $6k daw (in addition to the computer)

a $6k equalizer

a $6k microphone

a $6k 2 track tape machine

etc.

exotic hardware tends to require regular maintanance and occasional repairs; a vintage device with blown tubes might be worth thousands, but...
software has different expenses.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #255405 is a reply to message #243536 ]

Tue, 03 July 2007 10:32

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zmix wrote on Mon, 07 May 2007 23:21

Most really professional and proven gear will appreciate in value.

MOST?????????? sorry, have to disagree there.

my ssl 384, sontec EQ, Focusrite Red3, myteck DAC, and quested monitors have not appreciated.

it's more appropriate to say, "some gear appreciates" and even that might be a stretch.

in reality, it's old gear, that has a high demand and limited supply (due to production being stopped), and even then it's not every thing that meets that statement. my symmetra peak passive limiter has certainly not appreciated.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #256179 is a reply to message #243536 ]

Thu, 05 July 2007 22:04

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zmix wrote on Tue, 08 May 2007 14:21

Revolution wrote on Sat, 05 May 2007 04:07

zmix wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 16:34

They certainly never appreciate in value though, do they?

What audio gear does?
At least you wont have to take the software off to a tech.

Thanks for the question. Most really professional and proven gear will appreciate in value. Mine has Twisted Evil

Twisted Evil

Microphones - u 47, u67
Preamps- Neve 1073 etc
Compressors - 1176 etc
Speakers (for example NS-10s go for double what I paid for mine).
Let's not even begin to talk about instruments.

AHhhh yes that old chesnut.

OK

Now firstly if you considder the current cost of a vintage 1073 or U47 as "VALUE" then you may have some in who will disagree with you.

But to do some maths via my trusty inflation convertor.
http://minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/

Neve 1073 module could fetch US$4K now which is the equivilant of US$755 in 1970 when it was released.

Neumann U 47 as a guess may fetch US$10K if it's working which would be equivilant to US$1K in 1950.

1176LN blackface sold for US$2500 on ebay recently, thats US$508 in 1972.

And I wont bother mentioning the NS10s as I know a friend who gave his away.

So im assuming that no servicing was needed in the last 30 - 40 years?

Maybe someone could fill in how much these items cost when released, im guessing for a 30 year investment I would hardly call these a great return.

Now lets hear about you instruments, I think I have an old Marshall that Jimmi Hendrix pissed on at woodstock.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #256847 is a reply to message #256179 ]

Mon, 09 July 2007 00:13

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Revolution wrote on Fri, 06 July 2007 13:04

im guessing for a 30 year investment I would hardly call these a great return.

David, just a quick point. The true return for audio gear is in the money you earn by using it, not appreciation.

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Re: Waves is CRAZY! [message #258332 is a reply to message #256847 ]

Sun, 15 July 2007 06:06

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jetbase wrote on Mon, 09 July 2007 15:13

Revolution wrote on Fri, 06 July 2007 13:04

im guessing for a 30 year investment I would hardly call these a great return.

David, just a quick point. The true return for audio gear is in the money you earn by using it, not appreciation.

While I'm sure no one would disagree you have taken that quote entirly out of context of my argument which is weather audio gear will really appreciate in value.

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