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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #268210 is a reply to message #268066 ] |
Thu, 23 August 2007 22:05   |
 CWHumphrey
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| bewarethanatos wrote on Thu, 23 August 2007 05:58 |
Ok, thanks Tom. I still don't really understand how everyone else has such "an easy time" recording at lower levels to try this out. Myself and the producer I work with don't understand how people are able to drive the pre-amp to get the color they want and still stay at levels like -20dBFS. Are you saying most of you guys just turn the pre-amp up until you hit -20dBFS ITB? That's my main point of confusion.
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The last band I recorded, we did basics on a Neve 8068 and used all on-board mic pres.
The console has VU meters on every bus group, so it helped reinforce what 0VU looks like on a Pro Tools meter for several different types on instruments.
Unfortunately, Pro Tools meters continue to suck. When I'm mixing in the box, I always use other meters available to me (usually paz set to RMS mode). Even Digidesign's gate or compressor has a better meter than the ones on the channels.
Cheers,
Carter William Humphrey
"Indeed...oh three named one!" -Terry Manning
"Or you can just have Carter do the recording, because he's Humphrey."-J.J. Blair
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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #270355 is a reply to message #211400 ] |
Sat, 01 September 2007 16:10 |
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Agreed on the PT "meters." Terrible things.
Bob, I assume you are referring to the HD outputs. In the older XLR-out 888-24's, was the same "problem" existent, or did this start with those little multipin outputs?
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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #271584 is a reply to message #270355 ] |
Thu, 06 September 2007 19:20 |
CWHumphrey
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| compasspnt wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 14:10 |
In the older XLR-out 888-24's, was the same "problem" existent, or did this start with those little multipin outputs?
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Funny you should mention the 888's. They didn't sound as good as Digi's current 192's (which are still beat by other converters), but at least the the meter's on the 888's were usable. Sometimes I would look at them vs. the PT software meters to see what was going on. Now, the meters on the DAC's don't indicate much except signal present.
Cheers,
Carter William Humphrey
"Indeed...oh three named one!" -Terry Manning
"Or you can just have Carter do the recording, because he's Humphrey."-J.J. Blair
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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #271611 is a reply to message #211400 ] |
Thu, 06 September 2007 20:12 |
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All this is slightly off the original topic, but still does tie in.
I personally use the 888-24's with external conversion (latest Apogee AD/DA-X), because I think the interfacing on the older XLR models is much better. The AD-X beats up on the Digi HD conversion pretty well also.
The only downside so far is I can't go to 96 sessions. If I wanted to.
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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #279194 is a reply to message #211400 ] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 08:18 |
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Indeed, the term "dynamics" is on the way to becoming a negative one.
Remember when we actually desired dynamic range...the more, the better?
If everything is loud, then nothing is loud.
Relatively.
Volume is the only technical tool we have to work with.
Let's not take that away from ourselves.
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| Re: Digital tracking with low levels = better...is this new??? [message #280012 is a reply to message #279194 ] |
Tue, 09 October 2007 13:10 |
Andy Simpson
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| compasspnt wrote on Sat, 06 October 2007 15:18 |
Indeed, the term "dynamics" is on the way to becoming a negative one.
Remember when we actually desired dynamic range...the more, the better?
If everything is loud, then nothing is loud.
Relatively.
Volume is the only technical tool we have to work with.
Let's not take that away from ourselves.
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I recently made pop recordings with RMS coming in around -30dB (- this does depend on arrangement but nonetheless, this is well below 'normal'). No compressors or limiters, just controlled performances.
The result is a recording which is so quiet that when people play it they automatically crank the volume control all the way around to hear it at a good level.... and when they do that, they notice how much energy & life is in the music that they don't normally notice..... they tap their feet and dance a little bit, usually.
Do I want a mastering engineer to 'transparently' 'raise the overall level'?
No I damn well do not.
Andy
www.SimpsonMicrophones.com - Next Generation Microphones
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