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| Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:58 |
Last night I listened to Sgt. Pepper over the Lipinskis. Sure enough I clearly heard instruments, people, sounds I'd never heard or never heard clearly before. It was quite revealing. Then I did the same thing with Thriller. Same deal.
In each case, the sense of space was palpable, everything was exactly in its place in the soundstage. I could hear tracks come and go as channels turned on and off. It was "ear opening".
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I had a similar experience with a pair of B&W Nautilus 801's which at the time were the best speakers I had ever heard. Especially the "hear tracks come and go as channels turned on and off" part sounds very familiar. What surprised me most was that this wasn't just in silent or very quiet sections of the music. I could hear all these things deep down in the mix while all sorts of things where happening much louder in the foreground.
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I have to say however, as Bob mentions, I could NEVER play back a tape or a mix for a client with these speakers. None of us could survive it. Besides the laser-beam accuracy the lack of emotion would kill the session in its tracks (sorry about the pun).
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Unlike your experience, I didn't find the playback to be too clinical or lacking in emotion. It still sounded right despite all the extra detail and, for lack of a better word, "errors" in the sound. I must say that this was many years ago and I might judge the experience differently these days.
Alistair
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| Re: Lipinski 707s -- what to think? [message #313187 is a reply to message #313154 ] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 13:37 |
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it may enlightening to hear the flaws in "thriller" or "sgt. pepper". but if one's monitoring
causes one to dwell incessantly on them, then i think it is a wrong choice.
we do not look at a calder stabile and start examining the welds on the metal, then
wonder if it would "work better" if the beads were a little straighter or had a
laser had been used to cut the metal. we don't appreciate art that way.
i think that a monitoring system ought to present a balanced perspective that leans
toward the "neutral" side of emphasis. i don't think it is helpful for a
monitoring system to magnify details -disproportionally-.
imo, re: fuses and circuit breakers: no risk = no reward.
fyi, my main monitors are thiels.
jeff dinces
cerberus audio services
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| Re: Lipinski 707s -- what to think? [message #313461 is a reply to message #313138 ] |
Fri, 08 February 2008 08:00 |
Andy Simpson
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| Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:58 |
Andy,
Your idea is exactly the one I had yesterday. I thought about running the same material through both sets of speakers, one set at a time of course. I would record that. Then using that recording I'd listen on heaphones to the recording.
Will I have compounded coloration upon coloration? Maybe but I'd have a recorded "reference" for others to hear and then possibly offer some insight.
Last night I listened to Sgt. Pepper over the Lipinskis. Sure enough I clearly heard instruments, people, sounds I'd never heard or never heard clearly before. It was quite revealing. Then I did the same thing with Thriller. Same deal.
In each case, the sense of space was palpable, everything was exactly in its place in the soundstage. I could hear tracks come and go as channels turned on and off. It was "ear opening".
I have to say however, as Bob mentions, I could NEVER play back a tape or a mix for a client with these speakers. None of us could survive it. Besides the laser-beam accuracy the lack of emotion would kill the session in its tracks (sorry about the pun).
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Regarding Sgt. Pepper - I love this record - but if the monitors don't tell you that this record is compressed, limited, second-generation tape-loss'd & distorted to an almost unlistenable degree, then they are not telling the truth! Not the whole, brutal truth, anyway.
Regarding the 'test' - I would try re-recording a reference track through both sets of monitors and audition both re-recordings on both sets of monitors, comparing to the original mix. A cross reference of the results should say something useful.
Andy
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| Re: Lipinski 707s -- what to think? [message #313549 is a reply to message #313461 ] |
Fri, 08 February 2008 12:10 |
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Barry Hufker
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Excitement, Revelation, A Change!
I don't know if it's I finally got the Lipinskis "dialed in" correctly or if they finally broke in fully (although I thought they had) but BOOM! What a glorious sound today. Completely different than what I'd been hearing.
And I played everything through them -- classical "warhorses" with lots of drums, sweet, quiet cabaret, Beatles, pipe organ, Lyle Lovett, and all kinds of other things. GREAT! FULL! Firm bass, full range, dynamic, powerfull, clean, clear.
OK. Now I feel as tho' I'm listening to the speakers people promised I'd hear. I still haven't put the Avalons back in but now I think there's a genuine contest.
I'll report further but many thanks to all those participating in this thread.
Andy, yes the Lipinskis and the Avalons let me hear how bad the SGT. Pepper disc is. If you want to hear many of those tracks in greater fidelity, listen to them off the Yellow Submarine disc. The difference is astonishing.
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Fri, 08 February 2008 15:12 |
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Barry Hufker
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Chuck,
I'm not sure as to all that happened. Although I'd been using the subwoofer all along I decided to play with its crossover and level. That helped quite a bit, but something just "clicked" with the setup. Another part of the difference could be that I played quite a bit of "bombastic" music -- marches, loud orchestra passages, pipe organ. I didn't play really loudly but at a reasonable listening level. As I say, I don't know if the drivers finally loosened up or what but the sound is the best it's been all week. And it is an extremely good sound.
Yellow Submarine: I'm sorry but you're wrong. There are Sgt. Pepper songs on the disc: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Sgt. Pepper's LHCB, followed by Help From My Friends, When I'm 64.
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Torture “is basically subject to perception,” CIA counterterrorism lawyer Jonathan Fredman told a group of military and intelligence officials gathered at the U.S.-run detention camp in Cuba on Oct. 2, 2002, according to minutes of the meeting. “If the detainee dies, you’re doing it wrong.”
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| Re: Lipinski 707s -- what to think? [message #313667 is a reply to message #313549 ] |
Fri, 08 February 2008 18:30 |
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| Barry Hufker wrote on Fri, 08 February 2008 12:10 |
Beatles, pipe organ,...
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If you want both :
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