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Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #332571]

Fri, 11 April 2008 06:46

hebjam
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I have these mics and need either one or two more for overs. If going for the 3 or 4 mic technique, what would be good with what I have?

I also have a Beta 58.... should i get a condenser? Cost is an issue Sad

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Re: Drum miking - RE20+SM57+????? [message #332583 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Fri, 11 April 2008 07:32

MagnetoSound
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Location: Southern England

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If you mean the Glyn Johns type setup, then perhaps a couple of LDCs.

One for the floor tom side and one over the rack tom(s), both looking toward the snare.

I know others will chime in with different opinions ....

Dan

'No one has had it better than the baby boomer generation. At a hell of a cost. The saving grace is that the new generations have absolutely no clue how much of their rightful legacy has been squandered - or else it would get pretty ugly out there.'
- Tony Katsabanis

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Re: Drum miking - RE20+SM57+????? [message #332727 is a reply to message #332583 ]

Fri, 11 April 2008 14:18

hebjam
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What are a pair of condensers for cheap-ish? Mxl any good? AKG?
What might work best on a rock kit in a mostly cement room, sort of triangular, maybe 2 walls of 20' one of 15'. Ceiling is 15' high.

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Re: Drum miking - RE20+SM57+????? [message #332743 is a reply to message #332727 ]

Fri, 11 April 2008 14:52

MagnetoSound
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A cement room? Seriously, you mean it's untreated?

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Re: Drum miking - RE20+SM57+????? [message #332869 is a reply to message #332743 ]

Fri, 11 April 2008 23:00

hebjam
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It's my practice space.... some treatment, carpet etc...One outer wall is cinder block, one wall is gyproc.

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #333178 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Sun, 13 April 2008 07:50

Tim Halligan
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Location: Perth, Western Australia

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Well...

In a shocking case of deja vu, I've just done a recording in a tin shed, with a concrete floor, using (shock, horror! Very Happy

) an RE20 on kick, a 57 on snare, and a pair of 414's as overheads.

There was an additional 57 that was draped over an - as it turns out - unused guitar amp that I bent and twisted to become a room mic.

It sounds huge!

I'd forgotten how bendable RE20's are...

Cheers,
Tim

"Don't forget, we are all engaged in a battle to the death against mediocrity." - J. Whynot

"You can tune a room only with a bulldozer." - Andy Peters

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #333668 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Tue, 15 April 2008 04:13

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seedyunderbelly.com
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If you Want some cheap LDC's Apex 460 Is a chinese one that would do it on the cheap.

www.seedyunderbelly.com

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #333720 is a reply to message #333668 ]

Tue, 15 April 2008 10:44

Larry Villella
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Registered: September 2006
Location: PORTLAND OR

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At the risk of repeating myself, there is a new LDC built
expressly for Drums and High SPL Sources - The ADK S-7.

With 135 dB Headroom, this is the silver bullet for drums!

(Even if it's black).

Thanks

Larry V / ADK

Larry J. Villella, Founder, ADK Microphones

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #333726 is a reply to message #333720 ]

Tue, 15 April 2008 10:59

Fig
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Larry Villella wrote on Tue, 15 April 2008 10:44

Can he do that?!?

The easiest thing to do is the thing most easily forgotten.

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #333798 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Tue, 15 April 2008 14:06

Galil
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Registered: January 2007
Location: Central NY

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There are many possible answers to this. If I had a recording like this, I'd seriously think about using a pair of small diaphragm condensers (SDCs) above the kit.

Many of the LDCs (large diaphragm condensers) do not have as much rejection (front to back) in the upper midrange as SDCs or even dynamic microphones. This means that the room could contribute more coloration in the region the ear is most sensitive. If the room sounds good, this is not a problem - if not, dealing with the "room color" in the mix might be hard. If this music is punk, new wave/alternative or intended to be raw - no problem.

Audio Technica Pro-37(s) (SDCs) are not expensive and have worked well in this application for me. You would try Oktava 012s as well. Dynamics which you might want to consider for this (assuming you can find them used) could include: AKG D-1000, Beyer M-69, M-88, M-201, and Electro Voice RE-15/16.

Let us know what you go with and how it works.

Galil

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #334123 is a reply to message #333720 ]

Wed, 16 April 2008 20:18

bigbone
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Location: montreal,canada

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Larry Villella wrote on Tue, 15 April 2008 11:44

Were can i hear that microhpone, i'm in montreal Canada, Larry is there a ADK dealer
in montreal.....how can i get that nic...

Think you

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Re: Drum miking - RE20+SM57+????? [message #334985 is a reply to message #332727 ]

Sat, 19 April 2008 16:25

Denny W.
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Location: Ohio

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hebjam wrote on Fri, 11 April 2008 15:18

What are a pair of condensers for cheap-ish? Mxl any good? AKG?
What might work best on a rock kit in a mostly cement room, sort of triangular, maybe 2 walls of 20' one of 15'. Ceiling is 15' high.

Kel Audio HM-1's are very good on overheads @ $130 each

My mic closet is more like a shoebox.......

Denny Wyss
Engineer - NicePear Productions

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #335082 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Sun, 20 April 2008 01:56

Senad
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Registered: March 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Hi hebjam,
with what you said you have, i would recommend the same as waht Tim said on kik and snare, beta 58 on floor or hats , depending on what you need more of and waht's in a song...and a pair of dirt cheap AKG perception 150 SDCs for overheads/cymbal mics. Very good value I found on cymbal mics and acoustic guitars...and any other percussive sources I'd imagine.They need a bit of EQ on certain things, but for $230 AUD a pair (about $200 US) you can't go wrong i guess...ymmv
cheers

Senad Mujagic
www.infazestudio.com

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #336107 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Wed, 23 April 2008 22:36

wwittman
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Location: New York

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RE20s are excellent, full range, sounding mics.

I would MUCH rather use two RE20s on a drum kit than two cheap, crappy, Chinese condensers JUST because they are condensers.

It's like when people ask what's a "good cheap tube mic"

what you NEED is a GOOD mic, not a "tube" mic.

William Wittman
Producer/Engineer
(Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield, Hooters...)

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #336172 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Thu, 24 April 2008 06:47

hebjam
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Thanks 4 the help so far...
So along with the RE20 and '57 I should get another RE20?
I'd love if three mics would do it, budget budget.....

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Re: Drum Miking - RE20 + SM57 + ??? [message #337389 is a reply to message #332571 ]

Mon, 28 April 2008 16:40

wwittman
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Location: New York

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that's what I would do, FWIW

but then, I'd ALSO get something decent, instead of the 57

William Wittman
Producer/Engineer
(Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield, Hooters...)

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