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Beatle stereo mixes [message #337011]

Sun, 27 April 2008 12:23

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Hi Terry and Ross and other Pros
I forgot why Geoff Emerick and George Martin came out with these extreme stereo mixes now(you know the ones with all vocals on one side).Maybe Brian can jump in and refresh my memory.But my question to you guys is ...''What were your thought when you first heard those stereo mixes''!!!
I know as a young musician at that time they kinda blew my mind.I would ask myself why??Although they were very interesting to listen to they were much different from mixes coming from America..thanks

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337016 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 12:39

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Recording The Beatles.....buy it.

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337029 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 14:01

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I keep wondering why they didn't fix Rubber Soul when they did the new mix in the 80's..

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Sun, 27 April 2008 14:29

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thedoc wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 13:39

Recording The Beatles.....buy it.

Seconded!

The stereo mixes were afterthoughts. I would love to have the monos.

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337048 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 15:04

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I have the Japanese mono CD mixes of The White Album. Still looking for Sgt. Pepper's.

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Sun, 27 April 2008 16:06

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Mikey,

Yes, buy the book. Last time I looked it was out of print until the spring, which is about now. Smile

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The stereo mixes were made to satisfy the demand of the growing stereo hi-fi market (and the future standard).

It was the limited number of tracks available during tracking which led to the instruments and vocals being grouped the way they are.

(That, and the genius talent of the engineers doing it!)

If you had one track of backing parts, one combined vocal track and one track of lead or percussion overdubs, how would you pan it?

Dan

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337062 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 16:13

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The reason the old US versions have vox on one side and music on the other is that George Martin had the vocals recorded on one track and the backing music on the other track. The two are summed to mono for the proper UK versions, but Capitol in the US released them in "stereo" with the two tracks separated. They were never intended to be released that way.

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Sun, 27 April 2008 16:14

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don kerce wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 22:04

I have the Japanese mono CD mixes of The White Album. Still looking for Sgt. Pepper's.

there's Japanese mono CDs of the white album and Sgt. Pepper's?

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Sun, 27 April 2008 16:31

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c17 wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 22:13

The reason the old US versions have vox on one side and music on the other is that George Martin had the vocals recorded on one track and the backing music on the other track. The two are summed to mono for the proper UK versions, but Capitol in the US released them in "stereo" with the two tracks separated. They were never intended to be released that way.

Oh i see...
Pepper and the White albums were after what i'm talking bout.
But a funny story.My cousin was staying with me and he had the stereo version of Pepper and i only had the Mono.So i couldn't help myself.(he'll never know) i switched the two copies so i could have the stereo Pepper.That one sounded good in stereo .But now the mono version is worth some good cash

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Sun, 27 April 2008 16:32

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c17 wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 22:13

The reason the old US versions have vox on one side and music on the other is that George Martin had the vocals recorded on one track and the backing music on the other track. The two are summed to mono for the proper UK versions, but Capitol in the US released them in "stereo" with the two tracks separated. They were never intended to be released that way.

That's almost correct.

The original 'multitrack' machines had three tracks at first, then four, and later, eight.

By the time of white album, they were eight track machines.

(IIRC, you may be right that there were some 'split-mono' transfers (of the early albums) sent over to the states, but I can't remember why. Brian?)

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337094 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 18:29

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I don't think they actually did stereo mixes.... Cool

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337123 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Sun, 27 April 2008 20:25

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shows you SOMETHING though about how with the right RECORDING and a good balance, the stereo placement can be extreme, and even odd, and still work fine.

Most casual listeners don't even NOTICE that a vocal is one channel... even in a car!

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337342 is a reply to message #337067 ]

Mon, 28 April 2008 14:05

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[quote title=mikey wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 17:31]

c17 wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 22:13

i switched the two copies so i could have the stereo Pepper.That one sounded good in stereo .But now the mono version is worth some good cash

Apologies for bragging... I got Geoff Emerick to sign my mono Pepper a few weeks ago when he spoke here in NY. You can bet I'm going to treasure that thing for all days.

Noah

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Mon, 28 April 2008 16:44

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there's Japanese mono CDs of the white album and Sgt. Pepper's?

There's Japanese CDs of everything!

The Beatles has red letters instead of grey I think?

Fairly collectable; I think these releases are grey market or just plain boots. Never heard an actual one of these, and have only seen the White Album. I picked up a strange version of Abbey Road when I was in Japan last year, on the "craig" label. Different cover too (goof-ball "Fab Four" illustration), so I had to get it. I don't know if this is a re-press/clone of the Toshiba but it sounds better than the standard CD.

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Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337393 is a reply to message #337011 ]

Mon, 28 April 2008 16:53

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Capitol USA also used their dubious 'Duophonic' process on the allegedly stereo releases of early Beatles LPs. I can't remember the exact details of the process (EQ? Delay?) but whatever it was it sounded pretty rank as I recall.

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Mon, 28 April 2008 16:56

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[quote title=arconaut wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 20:05]

mikey wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 17:31

c17 wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 22:13

i switched the two copies so i could have the stereo Pepper.That one sounded good in stereo .But now the mono version is worth some good cash

Apologies for bragging... I got Geoff Emerick to sign my mono Pepper a few weeks ago when he spoke here in NY. You can bet I'm going to treasure that thing for all days.

Noah

i wonder what the Mono Pepper is going for .I think it was 100$ 20 years ago.Wow if you could get Ring Paul and G.Martin to sign it that would really be nice.You should frame it up

MIKEY

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