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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #338963 is a reply to message #338823 ] |
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I considered buying this, just as I seriously considered the "new" U-47 last year. Had I bought either or both, I would have used them.
But obviously very carefully.
I didn't buy either because I just have too many things already.
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339020 is a reply to message #338925 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 07:01 |
Markus Sauschlager
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| Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:43 |
I don't disagree but you're not thinking like a collector. If you watch Public Television's "Antique Road Show", then you know that as long as the item is completely original, working or not, it is worth far more than if it's been restored.
EDIT: Maybe you don't get ARS in Australia. Sorry.
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Well then I'm really not thinking like a collector, because if it doesn't work as it should it's worth close to nothing for me...
BTW, Barry: we don't have kangaroos in Vienna! (well maybe in the Schönbrunn-Zoo...)  I'm living in the city where this cute mic was made some time ago (but still I haven't ever seen ARS).
Best,
Markus
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339070 is a reply to message #338995 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 10:33 |
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 J.J. Blair
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| delcosmos wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:18 |
| J.J. Blair wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:29 |
Del Cosmos ... so was it you who bought it?
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Not that one.
A few weeks ago I bought from Vintage King this beautiful ELAM 250, I feel more comfortable buying from VK than ebay, you know, with VK I got Warranty, service, you can trust that they are not selling you a clone or something so it worth paying a little bit more knowing that you are getting an original system.
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Congrats! That's a gorgeous one.
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339158 is a reply to message #339070 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 15:58 |
delcosmos
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Yeah, those guys got this kind of gear in the 70's, 80's and even 90's at ridiculously low prices. Now you have to spend a fortune to get a decent U47, Ela M250, Fairchild 670, a Pultec, a C12, a C24, U67, etc, etc.
Best regards.
Delcosmos.
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339163 is a reply to message #339158 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 16:43 |
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J.J. Blair
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Well, the fact of the matter is that commercial recording studios cannot buy a locker full of mics at $10,000+, Fairchilds at $20,000+ or a rack full of vintage Neve module $4,000, these days. It's not the old days, where people HAD to come to a recording studio, so you could pay through the nose for things, and know you were going to be booked solid at $2,500/day. It's the people such as yourself, who are producers or songwriters making their money off royalties, who can pay these prices and put things things in studios they own, that aren't dependent on bookings. Studio rates are taking a beating. If you are making your money off the front end, the impression I get from talking to studio managers and owners these days is that there's no way you can justify paying for gear like this, and hope to make your rent at the same time.
Maybe Terry can share his thoughts on it, since he owns and operates a high end facility that still stays regularly booked.
I know several rooms where big records get done that can't seem to even afford to keep their mics working properly all the time.
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339175 is a reply to message #338823 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 17:13 |
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JJ, if we were *just* a commercial studio, we probably wouldn't keep the doors open. A *real* studio today has to be a tool for another segment of the business.
But no, if I didn't already have great vintage microphones, instruments, etc., we could never get them today and hope to get ROI.
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| Re: is a Ela M-251 REALLY worth $23,500? [message #339186 is a reply to message #338839 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 18:53 |
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Klaus Heyne
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| Silvertone wrote on Sun, 04 May 2008 04:16 |
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However since there were only roughly 2200 of those Elam mics made....
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Where did you get that number? Can you corroborate any high-serial number ELA Ms?
Klaus Heyne
German Masterworks
www.GermanMasterworks.com
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