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 ssltech
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Ah. This is some new definition of the word "fascinating", which which I was hitherto unfamiliar.
Thanks also for introducing me to another meaning for the word "information"... -Up until now, I had never really appreciated its ability to mean "crackpot theory".
I am indebted to you Max; My dictionary publishers will be hearing from me about this.
Unless of course this is just another example of people wanting to believe, and clutching wildly at straws...
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339543 is a reply to message #339446 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 09:25 |
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| Harland wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 16:11 |
| ssltech wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 11:40 |
Ah. This is some new definition of the word "fascinating", which which I was hitherto unfamiliar.
Thanks also for introducing me to another meaning for the word "information"... -Up until now, I had never really appreciated its ability to mean "crackpot theory".
I am indebted to you Max; My dictionary publishers will be hearing from me about this.
Unless of course this is just another example of people wanting to believe, and clutching wildly at straws...
Keith
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Wow, some serious invective there...
I, for one, would try Laetrile as a therapy prior to any surgery, radiation or drug treatment. I am a firm believer in the value of vitamins and a keen observer of what the average Joe & Jane put in their shopping cart each week. I am also well aware of the dramatic effects possible from simple changes in diet.
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Laetrile ("vitamin B-17") is not accepted as a vitamin by the scientific community. In fact, recent research questions the effectiveness of even the widely used anti-oxidant vitamins in providing any demonstrable health benefits. Having taken these for the last 30 years I would like to think they're wrong, but I do not have anything but anecdotal evidence.
Dietary changes are a different matter, as they can reduce many health problems actually caused by the improper diet. However once a cancer develops, it's likely too late for simple dietary changes alone.
-JK
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339544 is a reply to message #339272 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 09:29 |
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probably SSLtech didn't even watch the whole thing..
here's the trick in a nutshell:
in nature certain foods such as grasses and seeds such as apple seeds, the core of the apricot seed, have a chemical substance which binds poison cianide with sugar molecules.
in this molecule the cianide cannot escape and it is harmless to the majority of the tissues in the body.
only cancer-producing cells, which are essentially cell-generators used for tissue repair, have a high concentration of an enzime which unlocks the cianide on contact..
therefore if you have this substance found in bitter herbs and seeds in your blood, any cancer cell which comes in contact with it is immediately poisoned.
there were tests done at a pro clinic in the states, where an important member of the staff, who was at the end of his carreer, did tests on mice, and he said that never in his experience had he ever seen the regression which b17 caused in tumors..
since the cancer industry is one of the biggest that exist, and since it's all run by the usual suspects (who finance most of the institutions through 'charity' etc ..etc..) the result was altered and published as being unsuccesful..
the REASON why they did this is because a NATURAL PRODUCT cannot be PATENTED..
IF this substance were to cure effectively, not only would all $$$$$$BILLION$$$ investments in cancer treatment go down the drain, but they couldn't even make money off the cure..
so it would make a whole industry job-less.
I think that in many states administration of the substance is ILLEGAL, even though tests have shown that when injected it does not cause any harm... supposedly less harm than aspirin.
interesting comments from the video include:
animals who eat what they feel in the wild usually do not have cancer, but when fed in captivity develop cancer... in captivity they are not fed these bitter herbs and seeds.
someone observed that some chimpanzees when handed an apricot go straight for the seed in the centre of the apricot.
many tribal cultures eat these seeds which are supposed to be poison and they have unusually long lifespans..
something to consider.. if you think of how harmful side effects of cancer therapy are.
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339566 is a reply to message #339544 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 10:45 |
ssltech
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Let me put this simply:
"If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no need for tinkers."
Go ahead, Prove me wrong. -It's simple. -Pick 100 people and give them as much as you think is necessary. If a single one of them contracts cancer, then the argument is... what's the word now?
Oh yes...
Bollocks.
Prove me wrong and I'll be delighted. -So will the whole world, in fact.
Most people don't UNDERSTAND, they just blindly believe. They take vitamin C when they feel they may have a cold coming on, WHETHER OR NOT they are vit-C deficient... such a thing is like fillling up a half-full petrol tank when a car won't start due to a snapped timing chain, fouled spark plugs or whatever.
There was a health food store in England close to where I lived, which was next door to a fish and chip shop just before a traffic light. -Most evenings I would stop at the light on the drive home, and it amused me no end to glance to my left and see the people coming out of the fish and chip shop, looking happy, high-spirited and healthy. -By contrast, the types who came out of the health food shop usually looked drawn, haggard, worn-down and -as often as not- halfway to death's door.
The trouble is, you can't prove a negative. -So that's why there ARE lots of charlatans and fraudsters who ARE making MILLIONS out of gullible people all over the western world... And they're not even regulated or overseen as well as the drug companies. They are not held to standards of proof, and yet people believe them.
So go ahead Max, You believe it? -You think it's provable?
Knock yourself out.
Until you or anyone else proves otherwise, I'm unwaveringly calling this bullshit.
Oh, and after 2 or 3 years, the health food shop closed down. -The chip shop expanded to fill the vacant space.
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339679 is a reply to message #339272 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 20:26 |
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imo, that's a very intriguing theory, but let's keep some scientific rigour
NOONE knows what causes cancer
a theory is useless without proof, unless supported by empirical evidence
however, if you really WANT to believe that vitamins will help you, there is a healthy 30% chance that it will happen
good odds, imo...
cheers,
max
sydney, oz
http://www.asylumdreams.com
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339680 is a reply to message #339679 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 20:56 |
ssltech
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| MDM, wrote |
...the substance which was abundant in food up to 100 years ago had the natural effect of killing off cancer cells..
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more people died of cancer than we like to recall. The 'falling sky' brigade don't like to acknowlege that. -And besides, let's not ignore the chance to get worked up over a conspiracy theory...
No, you're stating this as fact, and it's bullcrap.
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...let's keep some scientific rigour
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...please... This is one of Max's threads. Don't go bringing stray notions like proof or fact into it.
| maxim wrote |
...however, if you really WANT to believe that vitamins will help you, there is a healthy 30% chance that it will happen
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My point exactly. This is belief.
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339681 is a reply to message #339272 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 20:58 |
maxim
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don't knock it
or you'll go up in flames faster than giordano bruno...
"more people died of cancer than we like to recall."
that's if they managed to survive birth and subsequent infections...
cheers,
max
sydney, oz
http://www.asylumdreams.com
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339713 is a reply to message #339272 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 00:43 |
maxim
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"Low-income countries Deaths in millions % of deaths
Coronary heart disease 3.1 10.8
Lower respiratory infections 2.86 10
HIV/AIDS 2.14 7.5
Perinatal conditions 1.83 6.4
Stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases 1.72 6
Diarrhoeal diseases 1.54 5.4
Malaria 1.24 4.4
Tuberculosis 1.1 3.8
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 0.88 3.1
Road traffic accidents 0.53 1.9 "
if we use the same logic, low income countries must be living in a cancer free paradise
in reality, most people don't live long enough to get cancer...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index1.ht ml
cheers,
max
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http://www.asylumdreams.com
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339738 is a reply to message #339713 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 07:17 |
ssltech
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Look, I warned you...
DON'T bring facts into this.
Max is enjoying one of his "I've figured it all out, the rest of the world knows nothing" moments... -You'll burst the poor guy's bubble, then he'll end his days doing a lot of basket-weaving.
As for animals in the wild having fewer cases of cancer: Animals in the wild get EATEN a lot more often. -Animals in the wild also don't get medical treatment for an abundance of ailments which otherwise kill them... Animals in the wild die sooner just like humans do in poorer countries, and just like Americans and Europeans did about a hundred years ago...
Oops, sorry... now I'M bringing facts into it... -sorry!
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
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