| Re: DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk? [message #62434 is a reply to message #60868 ] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 14:54   |
 wireline
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Right now, totally ITB with Samplitude...was using a digital mixer that was OK, but I never got what I WANTED from it...eventually used the mixer only as a cue send system...and eventually, I want to go the stems route...
But I am curious of the operative definition of 'using a board': are we talking about submixing in DAW then stemming, or are we talking about the huge format boards? I would think it makes a difference...
Ken Morgan
Wireline Studio, Midland, TX
Authorized Sales Agent, WWW.Soundpure.Com
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| Re: DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk? [message #62813 is a reply to message #62761 ] |
Sun, 01 May 2005 18:19 |
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| gwailoh wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 15:52 |
...Have any of you experimented with the "FATSO" from Empirical Labs inserted across the stereo bus at mixdown? ...
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In that case you would still be summing inside the computer, then just inserting an external analogue simulation device across the stereo buss.
That's not at all the same as coming out track-for-track (or even with some submixes in stereo) into an analogue console, and summing there. In fact, with the console scenario, you could still use your "FATSO" if you wanted to.
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| Re: DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk? [message #62880 is a reply to message #60868 ] |
Mon, 02 May 2005 00:09 |
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FWIW,
Been mixing ITB for many years, with a few exceptions mixing out to a console. I agree to an extent - mixing out to a console can often be an asset, but I think one of the points rarely acknowleged is what STYLE of music we are mixing. I believe for hard music (rock/metal/emo/etc) it IS better to mix OTB, as loud, distorted sounds (electric gtrs, etc.) tend to get ugly in digital: analog rules in heavy music, and it's strengths are slamming inputs, and summing. OTOH, mixing jazz or classical is often better ITB - less noise, colouration, and true to the performance. These are vast generalizations, and obviously subject to vary, but I think the biggest thing killing mixing ITB is smashing the hell out of the tracks: tracking inputs far too hot, running all tracks @ 0 dB, combining 32 - 100+ tracks of it - what do you think is going to suffer? Digital is not analog, and vice versa. They cannot be treated the same way, nor should they. Digital has it's limits, and we all realize what those limits sound like.
If we could ever get back to mixing music with dynamics, and not be bent on red-lining everything from input to output, we'd be enlightening ourselves to what's really ruining our mixes, and music in general...
My opinion only - YMMV greatly,
N. Jay Burr
PlugHead Productions
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| Re: DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk? [message #62936 is a reply to message #60868 ] |
Mon, 02 May 2005 08:18 |
Timeline
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OTB API 8200 x 24
Gary Brandt
Timeline
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