| pro tools or not [message #77512] |
Thu, 14 July 2005 20:51  |
 flipper
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Registered: June 2005 |
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In breif i am very green when it comes to software
I am currently running a aw16g multitrack for most of the actual recording.. burn it off and transfer to sonar PE being run on a pc laptop, the laptop is then linked to an old as the hills tascam 4 track as an interface.
Needlees to say the hissing and cracking that goes on from the laptop is herendous....
So on my mission to obtain an interface i got a little curios about the Mbox and pro tools....
And have since been contenplating the change over to the pro tools set up wondering if it would be of any benefit????
Lately i have found i am needing to loop alot of stuff and on sonar it's quite fucking hard and confuseing...
And the other thught is that PT seems to be supported everywhere
with books and seminars etec,etc,etc...
(industry standard as well)
Any information/advice would be good..
I don't really want to get cuaght up in software and computer techs i just want to improve my skills or there lack off at recording and write good solid shit whatever genre is needed...
and have it sound nice...
thanks for your time...
"Because i am willing to fail i am able to succeed"
-Tred Barta
http://www.studioproof.com.au/
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| Re: pro tools or not [message #81269 is a reply to message #77512 ] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 09:37  |
Dan Zimmerman
Messages: 4
Registered: August 2005
Location: Sao Paulo and Minneapolis |
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How many simultaneous inputs will you need? If you only need two, the Mbox is great. I had one for a while and was pleased with it. The mic pres are good (for the price). Also, these days you get some goodies whenever you buy PT (Ableton Live, Reason, etc.). If you need more inputs, the Digi 002 Rack is great for around $1,200.
Another (HUGE) point to consider is ease of learning. Digidesign has tons of information for beginners, videos, free dvds, occasional free local seminars, monthly tips, etc. I've had difficulty trying to find info on Nuendo and others.
Pro Tools has my vote. It's universal, you can take your sessions to just about any other studio (if you ever have the need). That's the good thing about working with the industry standard.
Check out the free version of Pro Tools and some of their tutorials online.
p.s. No, I don't work for Digidesign. Hehe. I've just been using PT for quite a while and have been really happy with them.
...dan...
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| Re: pro tools or not [message #124258 is a reply to message #123884 ] |
Sun, 22 January 2006 12:04 |
mcsnare
Messages: 729
Registered: April 2004
Location: New York City |
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Get an 002 and be done with it. It's the most universal platform. It's easy to learn, it sounds great and the plug-ins are not as expensive as TDM plugs. On the bad side, the converters are not so great and there are some very good sounding plugs for Native and TDM that are not available in LE. It's always a trade off, but there are work-arounds and I think the 002 rack is a very good value.
Dave McNair
http://www.scotthullmastering.com
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| Re: pro tools or not [message #131368 is a reply to message #131348 ] |
Tue, 14 February 2006 18:12 |
Etch-A-Sketch
Messages: 570
Registered: April 2004
Location: North Hollywood, CA |
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| NoWo wrote on Tue, 14 February 2006 14:48 |
Hi Etch,
Well
1. Missing PDC (not for HD) is written all over the places.
2. There are some plugs (4?) delivered from Digidesign that are just there to do the job (plug delay compensation).
3. Digidesign describes it in the delivered "Help" what these plugs are for.
4. ...and yes, I´ve heared it myself when I started to group and insert plugs into them. The nightmare began.
That wasn´t the (only) reason of death for me to stop working with PT as a production unit. But I don´t want to post all others here in full, this has been discussed so often in other threads that I don´t want to spoil anyone´s time on this theme again.
Best wishes
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Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but PTLE has had PDC all along (actually, I have personally tested it in 6.1 and higher, not sure about OS9 and Versions 5.x). And they actually go one step further, because in PTLE and MP they don't just compensate for plugins, they also compensate for bussing. And while they give you time adjuster plugins, they give them to you for backward compatibility with the older mix systems, not because you actually need to use them.
Don't you think the fact that its "written all over the places" but you've never tested it means you should probably try it yourself before being so assertive? I know you mentioned you had tried it, but there is no way you could have because ADC has been there in LE for a long time and you would have noticed it was working. Basically, at this point, any praises you have for any other DAW and any negative comments you have about Protools is irrelevant since your ignorance has been revealed.
I'm not saying Protools is better than any other program, nor am I saying that any other program is better than Protools. All I'm saying is, Don't jump off the bridge just because you saw someone else do it. Unless you hear it with your own ears, don't go around preaching about it.
Do this test... take a track... duplicated it. Listen to them both together... Just sounds louder doesn't it? Now add a BF76 plugin to the duplicated track and BYPASS the plugin. Listen, still no phase shifting! Turn the plugin on and all you hear is the effects of the plugin, but there is no additional phase shifting. Now do the same thing with an aux track and a bus send. Same thing will happen, no phase shifting. Why is that? ...Cuz PTLE and PTMP have ADC built into program. You can't disable and enable it like you can with HD... but nevertheless its there working under the hood the whole time.
Derek Jones
Audio Engineer
Megatrax Production Music
www.megatrax.com
Listen to the music — don’t just look at it. Nobody cares what the impedance is; all they care about is when you can walk into the room, set up a mic, turn the knobs, hit record, and make everybody go “wow.” -Chris Lord Alge
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| Re: pro tools or not [message #131977 is a reply to message #131691 ] |
Thu, 16 February 2006 12:51 |
Etch-A-Sketch
Messages: 570
Registered: April 2004
Location: North Hollywood, CA |
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sorry man, but every plugin creates latency. For example the BF76 induces 3 samples of latency, not 0 as listed in that link you mentioned... the reason why it seems like 0 is because LE is compensating for it automatically and you cannot turn it off like you can in the TDM systems...
One must understand how the plugin's latency (delay) is computed before one starts saying that LE does or does not adjust for latency...
Blueboy, do you know how protools computes the delay time of a plugin? I've actually spoken with two digidesign developers about this and one plugin developer about this...have you?
Here's what happens... Digi doesn't do any realtime computation...but, neither does any other software. Within the code of the plugin, there is a field to specify how many samples of delay this plugin induces. This number must be researched by the plugin developer and it is the plugin developer's responsibility to test the plugin and report the correct value. One plugin that comes to mind that DOESN'T do this is the Omnipressor from Eventide. They didn't compute the latency correctly, so it reports its latency to protools incorrectly...and therefore protools doesn't adjust it correctly.
also... in LE, delay compensation is also dependent on your H/W buffer size. The smaller your buffer, the less delay compensation you are able to have. The larger the buffer size, the more delay compensation you are allowed to have...
This is the flaw in your post you keep referring to... nobody mentions (at least as far as I could see) what their buffer size is. Yes... if you pile up plugins on one track you can eventually "break" the delay compensation...meaning you have more latency than the current buffer size and processor CPU % allocation can handle. But that holds true with any native DAW.
Now...there are other plugins that vary their delay as they are working, and in that context no program i(ncluding protools) will accurately adjust for its latency... can you think of any plugins that might be like this? I have one for you... Autotune. Autotune, because of the way its is designed, induces more latency when the pitch is further out of tune. So, the more out of tune your singer is, the more latency there will be...and this is on a NOTE BY NOTE basis. There is no way to dynamically adjust the latency compensation for a plugin that dynamically changes its latency.
Basically... if you find a problem with delay compensation in PTLE... 99% of the time the same problem will appear when using the same plugin in Logic or Cubase or Sonar or Digital Performer or Vegas. But regardless... the issue here is whether PTLE does do latency compensation for plugins...and the answer is "yes, it does".
Derek Jones
Audio Engineer
Megatrax Production Music
www.megatrax.com
Listen to the music — don’t just look at it. Nobody cares what the impedance is; all they care about is when you can walk into the room, set up a mic, turn the knobs, hit record, and make everybody go “wow.” -Chris Lord Alge
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