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Re: New industry reference standard monitors ? [message #117618 is a reply to message #116667 ]

Wed, 28 December 2005 12:48

oldtimeblues
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Speaker opinions are like assholes....everyone's got a pair.

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Hmmm, I haven't looked lately but I thought we all had only 1 AH! Do you have a pair? Twisted Evil

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #118448 is a reply to message #116900 ]

Sun, 01 January 2006 16:03

Kenny Holloway
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...Considering many engineers seems to slag them off as the worst speaker ever its amazing how much good work has been done with ns10s. I wonder why people hate them so, im quite fond of them myself.

I think its probably because its human nature to moan.

The biggest complaints about the NS-10s have always been the listener fatigue and the sonic quality. It's a bit like complaining that the pocketknife is a crappy screwdriver. Different speakers are intended to be listened to for different purposes.

The NS-10s were never intended to be used as a loudspeaker (client playback) or for listening to at high SPLs over a great period of time. They do an insurpassable job of spatially locating things in the mix as well as going small and mono in mixdown.

The defacto standard was an engineer's benefit, not the reason for success. I agree that I do not forsee a replacement industry standard for nearfields. The downside is the new need for engineers to learn the different speakers. Another great loss for the commercial studio. FWIW, I have yet to find a commercial studio getting rid of their NS-10s, so it's still the standard.

Kenny Holloway
Producer

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #118531 is a reply to message #118448 ]

Sun, 01 January 2006 22:13

Timeline
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I would say the M-Audio BX8 powered speaker because they contain an 8" woofer, provide more settings and curve variety, have sold thousands and are damn cheap!

Gary Brandt
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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #119154 is a reply to message #116662 ]

Tue, 03 January 2006 15:09

Augustine Leudar
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Ive got a feeling its going to be the mackie 824s. theyve got a kind of dull sound and theyre popular at colleges. More tellingly I auditioned some today and amongst others they sounded the most muddy ! I asked the engineer why they were so popular thinking he would tell me that they were just really "honest" instead guess what he said ? :

"because if you can get something to sound good on those things it will sound good on anything "

Rolling Eyes

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #316857 is a reply to message #116662 ]

Tue, 19 February 2008 08:49

compasspnt
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I mixed on NS-10's for years (supplemented by Tannoy Little Red 12's for comparison).

Wouldn't do that now, but it would work.

Adam: Can't like them, no matter how much I try.

Genelecs: I like my original-year issue 1031's, but later much-newer one's don't sound the same to me. Can't stand the new 80xx series.

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #323141 is a reply to message #316857 ]

Mon, 10 March 2008 00:09

thedoc
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Location: Fullerton, CA

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Different strokes...I'm liking my 8040's.

Doc

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Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #323172 is a reply to message #316857 ]

Mon, 10 March 2008 06:48

Bill_Urick
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Registered: March 2005
Location: Atlanta

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Mr. Manning, what were your feelings about the Event ASP8's used on the Panic session? Did you use these for mixing as well?

Mr. Olhsson, regarding your statement

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It's all about the three-way relationship between full-range mains, real world speakers and NS-10s.

could you expound on that concept and give some examples of what you consider to be "real world speakers"?

I'm primarily using JBL 4320's and NS10's (NS10's with a sub) but haven't settled on that in between speaker yet.

Thanks!

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #323188 is a reply to message #323172 ]

Mon, 10 March 2008 08:40

compasspnt
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Bill Urick wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 07:48

Mr. Manning, what were your feelings about the Event ASP8's used on the Panic session? Did you use these for mixing as well?

The more I use the SP8's, the more I like them.

For tracking/overdubbing, they remind me somehow of the days when we used "loud" non-internally-amped "old-style" mon's like the JBL's or Altecs. I can get some more reasonable vol without straining the speakers constantly.

Their overall signature is much like my original version) 1031's. And they work much better for such work than my 1032's.

For mixing, on that album I did use the 1031's as the "mains," and cross-referenced with the SP8's. I don't know the 8's well enough yet to make critical mix decisions at low levels.

I do also plan on experimenting with my SP6's for that purpose soon though.

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #325089 is a reply to message #116662 ]

Sun, 16 March 2008 10:50

aranos
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it'll be iPod earbuds from now on!

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #325210 is a reply to message #325089 ]

Sun, 16 March 2008 20:48

Bill_Urick
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Location: Atlanta

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aranos wrote on Sun, 16 March 2008 11:50

it'll be iPod earbuds from now on!

I guess that could be a justifiable option!

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #328581 is a reply to message #323188 ]

Fri, 28 March 2008 12:13

Andy Simpson
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compasspnt wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:40

Bill Urick wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 07:48

Mr. Manning, what were your feelings about the Event ASP8's used on the Panic session? Did you use these for mixing as well?

Terry, did you ever dust off the old Altec A7s of your youth?

Andy

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #328727 is a reply to message #328581 ]

Fri, 28 March 2008 19:49

compasspnt
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Andy Simpson wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 13:13

Terry, did you ever dust off the old Altec A7s of your youth?

I actually still have one pair mounted in the soffit in our B studio tracking room, but I haven't turned them on in years.

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #328814 is a reply to message #328727 ]

Sat, 29 March 2008 09:27

Andy Simpson
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compasspnt wrote on Sat, 29 March 2008 01:49

Andy Simpson wrote on Fri, 28 March 2008 13:13

Terry, did you ever dust off the old Altec A7s of your youth?

I actually still have one pair mounted in the soffit in our B studio tracking room, but I haven't turned them on in years.

What was the last thing you heard through them? Do they still work?

Andy

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #328992 is a reply to message #328814 ]

Sat, 29 March 2008 22:25

compasspnt
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Andy Simpson wrote on Sat, 29 March 2008 10:27

What was the last thing you heard through them?

Wow, I can't even remember.

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Do they still work?

Well, I will just have to turn them on and see!

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Re: New industry standard reference monitors ? [message #328997 is a reply to message #116662 ]

Sat, 29 March 2008 23:11

maxim
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warning: amateur perspective

i have no experience with ns10's, but when i auditioned all the powered speakers in a noisy paris shop 3 or 4 years ago, yamaha msp5's seemed to create the most stable image without too much hype (= boring but reliable)

having been using them for a couple of years, the only problem to report is the lack of bottom end, so double-checking is always required, usually with a pair of trusty old headphones...

cheers,
max
sydney, oz

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Re: Questions for Mr. Manning and Mr. Olhsson [message #329488 is a reply to message #328992 ]

Mon, 31 March 2008 16:01

Andy Simpson
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compasspnt wrote on Sun, 30 March 2008 05:25

Andy Simpson wrote on Sat, 29 March 2008 10:27

What was the last thing you heard through them?

Wow, I can't even remember.

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Do they still work?

Well, I will just have to turn them on and see!

If you do manage to turn them on without them crumbling to dust (!) - try out some of my demos on them. The resolution difference will be much more obvious than on direct-radiators.

this one is quite brutal on decent horns...so it might finish them off if they are a little crumbly!

Andy

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