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Yamaha Subkick? [message #120393]

Fri, 06 January 2006 14:37

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I'm in a session with a band right now and my friend let me borrow this interesting piece. It looks like a drum but it's got what looks like an NS10 woofer inside of it. The concept isn't new but I've never seen an actual product using this idea.

BTW - it sounds awesome!!!

Anyone ever seen or use one of these things???

Is this thing on?

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #120435 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 06 January 2006 16:21

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I bought one after I started hearing lower-than-low kick drums on records. It does the trick, I'll tell you what. The roll-your-own NS10-on-a-stick thing is old news, but I bought a subkick because it looks nicer.

I've been using it on other stuff too, and it's definitely a keeper tool around here.

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #120441 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 06 January 2006 16:38

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the main difrance is this; its not an ns10 wofler so it does not sound exactly the same, i have heard manny people say that the ns10 diy sounds better. i do not know if it does. also you can find a creased or discolord ns10 wolfer for around 30-100 bucks. i got mine from a shop that relplaces wolfers in ns10s. mutch better then the 200+ i have seen the subkick go for. and lastly the first time you pull out a home-made mic/speacker on a stick every one gets a little bit exicited.
i use my ns10 on quite a few things, it is verry handy because it will make cheap little 6inch car speakers kick. but be carefull, if you use one make sure to check your mixxes out on a system with a sub, because it can do powerfull things ot your low >20Hz end.

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #120446 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 06 January 2006 16:54

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I like mine a lot. Michael Wagener did a comparison between my Subkick and his home built speaker on a stand; to his ears, they sounded different - not better or worse, just different. I seem to remember that he preferred his for the track he was doing at the time.

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #120499 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 06 January 2006 18:52

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Yeah... my main setup for monitors is a pair of Dynaudio BM5's which I love because of their extremely musical response. As with most small monitor speakers, they don't throw a lot around in the low end. With the subkick, I'm watching my woofers move around and I think I like it. Very Happy

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I have a Beta 91 inside the kick shell and the Subkick about a foot out from the kick in the room. I tried moving the subkick around at different distances but couldn't ever get it to feel right except right there in front of it within a foot from the outside kick head. It's awesome sounding. I've always struggled with getting that really 'low' tone from a drum. I hear it but can never seem to print it. This subkick is going to save me a lot of sleepless nights and fingernails.

Any other thoughts? Ideas on uses? I'm going to try it on the bass cab tomorrow.

Is this thing on?

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #120506 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 06 January 2006 19:17

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Oh yeah - whoever said that thing about checking your mixes with a sub is right on, for safety's sake if for nothing else.

Oh, and I got mine for $170. Smile

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #121243 is a reply to message #120506 ]

Mon, 09 January 2006 14:40

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I rewired an old dust-gathering Advent hi-fi speaker. took the tweeter off-line, and left it in it's speaker box.
Sounds amazing @!

total cost = $0

Also great result about 10ft. in front of kick. Perfect high frequency rejection (obviously).

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #121467 is a reply to message #121243 ]

Tue, 10 January 2006 13:07

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i've used one of the modded NS10's on kick drums for years. usually i start with that and a original D12 i have and blend them on the desk. was curious about the "new" one and now i know.

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #330478 is a reply to message #120441 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 23:21

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To save even more money go to a car toys, circuit city, or best buy and purchase a DVC 12 car subwoofer. Yeah I know that is big but the fundamental of the sound will be right around 40hz. At least that is where my project ended up. It is a dual 2ohm woofer and I choose to wire it down to 1ohm. due to it's large voice coils and high power rating (and I think the way resistance I wired the speaker at) it does not need a -20 db pad. I actually found myself turning up the gain to my surprize. Any how Hope this info helps. bought the speaker for $85 and the rest of the supplies for about $20. Don't tell the yamaha reps....they may be pissed off that there secret is out the bag. thanks Twisted Evil

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #330548 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 04 April 2008 08:17

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I also use the Beta91 and SubKick combo. Love it. The last tracking session the SubKick went directly into an 1176 then to the converter... no preamp needed. Saves money!

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #330567 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Fri, 04 April 2008 09:53

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I haven't done the speaker-as-a-mic technique for quite a while. I might set one up next time I am tracking drums to try it out again.

In the past I have used auratones and ns10's with good results.

The subkick sure looks nice though Smile

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I've got a couple unused speakers/woofers laying around to try for some different tones.

I wonder if there would be much benefit to using an inline xformer to better match the impedance and/or step up the voltage? Anyone tried different xformers?

Cheers,
j

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #330634 is a reply to message #330567 ]

Fri, 04 April 2008 13:04

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0dbfs wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 07:53

I haven't done the speaker-as-a-mic technique for quite a while.

Same over here. We wired up a DIY one a few years ago and were using it on every session. But then as time goes by I have been using less and less of it in the mix, then just stopped putting it up in the first place.... But then I have a big subwoofer in my CR so I can hear what the subkik is doing down there. Really depends on the genre whether I use it or not I suppose. Mostly rock over here

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #330821 is a reply to message #120499 ]

Sat, 05 April 2008 08:11

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TheViking wrote on Sat, 07 January 2006 00:52

I have a Beta 91 inside the kick shell and the Subkick about a foot out from the kick in the room. I tried moving the subkick around at different distances but couldn't ever get it to feel right except right there in front of it within a foot from the outside kick head.

The HUGELY important thing when using an inside kick mic in combination with a speaker-as-a-mic/subkick is phase alignment. The Little Labs IBP is indispensable in this application. If you are already in the digital domain and you have a vst compatible host, you can use PhaseBug from BetaBugs for a similar result. The vst isn't quite as effective as it shifts the phase equally across the frequency spectrum whereas the phase shift of the IBP can be centered on a specific frequency range.

It's amazing to hear once you find the sweet spot... just keep twisting the controls til it 'thumps' in just the right spot. You'll know it when you hear it.

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #334007 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Wed, 16 April 2008 12:17

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for the diy ones, has anyone done tests on cabinet size? sealed or ported cabinet? or speaker just in free air with no cab?

interesting to see what affect it has if any

Nathan Salt
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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #334463 is a reply to message #334007 ]

Thu, 17 April 2008 19:13

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I would imagine the speaker cabinet would impart its resonant frequency onto the recording.

Mine is "free air" as you call it. I bought a replacement NS10 woofer and wired it up. Sounds great.

I have compared it to the Subkick. I liked the NS10 better. I'm not sure if it's the speaker in the subkick or the fact that it's mounted in a very small drum shell. But whatever the reason, the NS10 sounded deeper and blended better with the internal mic.

Some other uses/suggestions... Hmmm? I was doing a bunch of music for movie trailers and put it on the really large taikos (26" and 28" or 30"?) and on the grand casa (33" orchestral bass drum). It was KILLER! The movie theaters are definitely gonna shake when those things kick in!

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Re: Yamaha Subkick? [message #335087 is a reply to message #120393 ]

Sun, 20 April 2008 04:18

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We use the Yamaha subkick and also have a homemade NS-10 woofer version. They both sound about the same. We sometimes use the NS-10 under a floor tom when we realy want big lows.
Peace, Todd

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