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Sat, 13 May 2006 18:49

rdolmat
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sounds so bad!

Why is that? No matter which mix I finish in the studio...nothing but vocals coming through. Everything else wwaayy back.

Now I just tried to adjust levels in the mix by hitting the MONO button on the mixer and mixing that way...and now all the stereo (guits, bak vox) are way too loud when I disengage the mono button (listen in stereo).

?!?!any tips please?

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155880 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 19:16

CHANCE
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rdolmat wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006 16:49

check your phasing. Mono mixing brings out a lot.

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155881 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 19:25

Tomas Danko
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rdolmat wrote on Sun, 14 May 2006 00:49

You could try and decrease the stereo width of your effects such as delay and reverb. Go easy on modulation effects in stereo, such as chorus etc. Or you could just make sure it sounds as wide and fat as possible in stereo and when people mention crappy FM reception in their cars that will have the stereo (no pun intended) resort to reproducing mono you just hold your hands over your ears and go "LALALALALALALALALALALA!".

Anyone of those ways should be helpful.

All the best,

Tomas Danko

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155883 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 19:44

quantumpsych
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fuck mono

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155885 is a reply to message #155883 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 20:08

CHANCE
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quantumpsych wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006 17:44

fuck mono

Now thats a very professional response

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155886 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 20:10

Bill Mueller
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It sounds like you are not switching back and forth often enough. Don't wait until you are committed to a balance to check mono. Make it an every-five-minute-auto button-push thing. After a while, you will get the hang of it.

Bill

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155887 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 20:12

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a lot of people (myself inc) start the mix in mono, and THEN switch to stereo

cheers
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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155893 is a reply to message #155887 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 20:49

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maxim wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006 18:12

(myself inc)

I thought about naming my room that. Laughing

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155898 is a reply to message #155893 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 21:27

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Mind if I ask what program you are using when you are listening back in mono?

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155916 is a reply to message #155898 ]

Sat, 13 May 2006 23:59

thedoc
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Whatcha doin' with reverbs and delays? Got any holographic/weird phase plugs?

Have all of your cables/patch bays/mics/line inputs/speakers been checked for polarity?

Doc

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155921 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sun, 14 May 2006 00:49

wwittman
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I thin checking earlier is good advice..

and you WILL find you need to strike a compromise balance so that the centre sounds bit too loud in mono.

It's also sometimes interesting to slide things around in the stereo field while listening in mono... sometimes something will just seem clearer on the other side form where you thought you'd put it (all the while listening in mono, that is)

lastly.. mono means ONE speaker.

listening to mono on 2 stereo speakers can be deceiving.

sometimes I keep a little cube (I use an ROR) set up just for that, so I can check in mono on that ONE speaker.

William Wittman
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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155930 is a reply to message #155877 ]

Sun, 14 May 2006 02:11

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I had a little Radio Shack 15wt amp, hooked up to a single Auratone on the 1 buss.

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Re: Summing to mono always... [message #155997 is a reply to message #155898 ]

Sun, 14 May 2006 11:51

rdolmat
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J.J. Blair wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006 19:27

Mind if I ask what program you are using when you are listening back in mono?

Thank you so much folks! I guess there is no perfect mix for both.

I'm simply using the mono switch on my Tascam M3500 board to listen in mono. I used to always start my mixes in stereo and then listen to mono near the end.

Yesterday I tried to start in mono and then have a listen in stereo near the end of the mix and that's what prompted me to post this thread.

But I see now that (as everything in the studio), it's a compromise between both...leaning more toward a good stereo mix.

thanks again!!

Cheers
rich

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