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| Peluso 2247 [message #166238] |
Sat, 24 June 2006 17:14  |
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 J.J. Blair
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OK, here's something aggravating: A guy I know who is a talented novice engineer / producer was given a bunch of dough to build a studio. He calledme to ask me a question, and then the talk got around to mics. He informed that he was getting Peluso 2247s. I told him to reconsider that, because for the money, I feel there are better options.
So what does he do? He buys three pairs. :sigh:
Anyway, with Klaus's permission, can we have a critical disussion of this mic and set the record straight on it? First off, how can something purport to be like a U47 with a dual backplate capsule? I mean, we haven't even gotten into the signal path, and it's already wrong. I'm not crazy about the build quality either, seeing that he's using a circuit board instead of point to point wiring. Also, the wiring and cables are low cost, Chinese made, which always brings up the threat of oxidation in my mind. Am I wrong to think that?
And then it's using a CE701 glass triode tube and a Cinemag xformer that is a dubious copy of the BV8. But considering that there's really nothing about this mic that even seems to resemble a U47, it just seems ridiculous to me that it's marketed that way. Any thoughts?
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #166262 is a reply to message #166238 ] |
Sat, 24 June 2006 20:46  |
iCombs
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I can only speak for my experience with the 2247 LE German edition (which has an EF-14). Is it a U47? No, obviously not. As you said, it's got a dual backplate capsule, and 9 variable polar patterns.
I can't speak to your fear of oxidation, as I've only had mine for about a year, and since it got put up in our vocal booth, it hasn't left it.
As far as justifying marketing versus construction goes, I think it'd be wise to also look into performance (sonics, specifically) and price point. Sonically, I'd generally put it into the class of U47-esque tones. Present in the upper mids, softer at the top without the smeary, burst-of-white-noise-sibilant that (at least to my ears) characterizes U87's. Is it "just like a U47?" Clearly not. I've heard some very well maintained old U47's and though the 2247 generally falls in the same ballpark (I would probably use it for the same sources as I would a U47 if I had one), it's not the exact same thing.
This has been discussed on this forum before- where is the line between "inspired by" and "clone?" I think it's fair to say that the 2247 is "inspired by" the U47, but a "clone" it's most defninitely not.
My .02.
Ian Combs
Producer/Engineer
Lightspeed Group, Inc.
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #166652 is a reply to message #166624 ] |
Mon, 26 June 2006 23:53 |
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Klaus Heyne
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As there is no legally binding definition for any of the terms you cite, it's still up to each customer to critically evaluate any of these "insprations", "reproductions", "emulations", "restorations", "clones" or whatever term may be used.
The one thing I don't think is in much dispute among experienced professionals is the notion that only the genuine, historic icons yield that iconic sound.
As has been often said here before: decide whether you must have "the real thing" or whether you are open to embrace any good sounding mic, regardless of historical autheticity.
It can be hard to be intellectually open and emotionally disengaged enough to let the chips fall where they may, regardless of the badge...
Klaus Heyne
German Masterworks
www.GermanMasterworks.com
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #166868 is a reply to message #166238 ] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 00:07 |
iCombs
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...so at that point, the argument becomes something along the lines of; "Do I need 'that' sound exactly," or, "do I need something that does something like 'that' sound," whether it be something historically derived or not, right?
Ian Combs
Producer/Engineer
Lightspeed Group, Inc.
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #167110 is a reply to message #166238 ] |
Thu, 29 June 2006 02:04 |
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Schallfeldnebel
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So what does he do? He buys three pairs. :sigh:
I would not have put all my money on one horse.
Erik Sikkema
Bill Mueller:"Only very recently, has the availability of cheap consumer based gear popularized the concept of a rank amateur as an audio engineer. Unfortunately, this has also degraded the reputation of the audio engineer to the lowest level in its history. A sad thing indeed for those of us professionals."
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #206447 is a reply to message #206406 ] |
Sat, 16 December 2006 13:47 |
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J.J. Blair
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macrow, I have said several times in here and in print, that you should use whatever works for you, regardless of the brand. If you like the sounds and you make good recordings, then use it. I also state, that if you are a studio and are in the business of trying to attract customers, you might need the real thing and not a copy.
My point of this thread, as I am making in a concurrent thread, is about longevity. My experience with cheap wire with unacceptable oxygen content is that in as soon as only a few years sometimes, the high end response is diminished. The HOSA snakes I bought when I first started home recording sixteen years ago taught me that unfortunate lesson.
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They say the heart of Rock & Roll is still beating, which is amazing if you consider all the blow it's done over the years.
"The Internet enables pompous blowhards to interact with other pompous blowhards in a big circle jerk of pomposity." - Bill Maher
"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham
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| Re: Peluso 2247 [message #206593 is a reply to message #206563 ] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 13:47 |
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J.J. Blair
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I disagree about that, but, it's not just the six inches. What about the 15 ft of cable from the mic to the PSU, as well as the wiring in the PSU itself?
And yeah, the mic sounds nice. Please report to me in five years if it sounds the same. Also, I just looked at an ad for one on eBay, and I still have a problem with them advertising them as being like a U47 if the the most important element of the mic, the capsule, is completely the wrong capsule. The ad says "beware of naysayers on the internet" or something like that. I say, "Beware of audio dealers who want to take advantage of your lack of knowledge."
Look, I think for the money, it's a great deal. I just think that it shouldn't be advertised as a U47 replacement, and I think it's fair to be skeptical about the cheap wire.
studio info
They say the heart of Rock & Roll is still beating, which is amazing if you consider all the blow it's done over the years.
"The Internet enables pompous blowhards to interact with other pompous blowhards in a big circle jerk of pomposity." - Bill Maher
"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham
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