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Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338670]

Fri, 02 May 2008 19:57

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I saw an interview with an achaeologist who said that less than 10% of the human race has
ever produced objects that persist for longer than a few years. And then only if someone
else takes the trouble to protect them from destruction. It takes a whole chain of caring
people to enable something to survive for even 100 years. It takes state level resources to
protect something for 1000 years or more.

I talked to the curator for the American Musical Instrument Collection at the Smithsonian
Institute. She said the system is simply not equipped to deal with the rate of change
introduced by the industrial revolution. They are aware that instruments like Buchlas and
Moogs are historically significant, but there is no mechanism in place to preserve them at
the state level. Her comment was "You people who understand their historical significance
will have to protect them for the next 100 years before they become elegible under the
terms of our charter, Good Luck".

She was not being sarcastic, she was quite sincere.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338674 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 20:10

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Sounds reasonable - and typical. That's how most things are preserved.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338676 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 20:19

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I'm doing my part here, while still providing some living space.

Larry Janus
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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338680 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 20:41

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Go David Go.

We are rooting for you.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338683 is a reply to message #338680 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 21:13

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All of our possessions, new or old, own us. We don't own them. Our houses - paint, grass, garden, furniture, plaster, heater, toilet, dryer, etc. You name it. We own it and work only to preserve it.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338684 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 21:16

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Thanks TM.

There are so many talented people doing this work on "Whatever Works". It's amazing to me. Purely for the love of the tools, not for some academic glory. Kudos.

Just think of how much more we know about Motown history with yourself, Bob O. and others...BK, Kevin Ryan and John Hinson have rewritten the Beatles history, the Many contributors to the Helios Thread, numerous Putnam, Joe Meek and various mic topics. On and on. All arbitrated by knowledgeable, responsible and passionate people.

Best thing on the web.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338687 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 21:46

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Thankfully, the Smithsonian has tape machines and turntables, so they've already made the decision there.

While in the worst of my 'troubles', I sold my '65 Gretsch 6120 to some fellow who runs both a brick & mortar, and online guitar store. He said he loves it and will never sell it. I've never seen it for sale since. I am glad that I did the right thing.

I'm sure that there will be at least a few choice examples of our prized instruments some centuries hence.

I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I seem to recall the earliest musical instruments discovered thusfar were a crude flute and some chimes, dug up in China, dated as ~ 30,000 years ago.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338690 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 22:17

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I own them as I have the receipts to prove it!

However, as much as I am a preservationist of SOME history, I am also a destroyer of some. I feel that too "keep everything" is pointless and wastes energy and resources needed for the IMPORTANT stuff. You HAVE to throw away old catalogs and stupid documents - many people cannot get around to this. You need to focus on a goal and work toward it. One cannot save every animal - so Noah took only 2 of each, a minimum needed for the future.

That being said - things like Buchla and Moog information are often VERY important in a known historical way. It won't change the world much if that info is lost, however, as long as the instruments themselves are around.

Relax and float downstream...

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338694 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 22:24

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I'll take those old catalogs off your hands for you Shocked

Shocked

MIKEY

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338697 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 22:41

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I want to see the list of what Noah left behind.

I would also like to go back just a few years to snatch those SSM IC masks.

...the missing 1/4 in. Mellotron masters.
...scaling of the Clavicytherium.
...Marvin Minsky's paper on the Minsky Muse Box.
...recipe for the carbon powder in an Ondes Martenot volume controller.
...just ONE piece of the Telharmonium.

But then, that's just one mans agenda...hopefully it's a usefully focused one.

What are we in danger of overlooking?

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338704 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 23:23

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Neumann lathes are my burden. I am in a position to be the caretaker of comprehensive documentation and as much passed down knowledge as I can keep in my steel sieve of a brain. I feel a strange sense of duty to the ridiculous.

Paul Gold
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On the silk road, looking for uranium.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338706 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 23:27

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Gold in 25 years. Very Happy

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338707 is a reply to message #338690 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 23:33

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Along with selling the Gretsch, I also got rid of the Altec 604 B's, and other 'priceless' stuff. Who cares.

I surely hope that my sickness does not strike others. But that situation has brought me about, as regards prioritization.

I've gotten rid of so many things, precisely *because* they were so 'priceless'.

Do any of you actually think that some 'programming' scheme is actually worth surviving? This is so unreal.

If somebody can sing it, or somebody play it on a real instrument, it will survive. We have songs from 2,000 years ago, no script or music notation or 'programming' needed.

I'm not worried, in the least, as far as anything actually worthy of survival.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338709 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 23:51

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That's a Scully. When operating a Neumann the attire must be a leopard print loin cloth.

Paul Gold
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On the silk road, looking for uranium.

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338710 is a reply to message #338709 ]

Fri, 02 May 2008 23:54

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Gold wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 22:51

That's a Scully. When operating a Neumann the attire must be a leopard print loin cloth.

....picture at 11:00

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Re: Do you own your vintage equipment or does it own you? [message #338738 is a reply to message #338670 ]

Sat, 03 May 2008 06:13

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I can't see the cutterhead in thst picture but the cutting amplifier looks like a mono Ortofon. It's the one with the round meter below the patchbay. The PSU is directly underneath it. I assume it would be an Ortofon cutterhead.

Paul Gold
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