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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #337407 is a reply to message #337393 ] |
Mon, 28 April 2008 17:09   |
John Gwatney
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Capitol USA also used their dubious 'Duophonic' process on the allegedly stereo releases of early Beatles LPs. I can't remember the exact details of the process (EQ? Delay?) but whatever it was it sounded pretty rank as I recall.
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Duophonic was taking the mono, copying to two track and dropping the low from one channel, high from the other. "Instant stereo"! Some had varied degrees of delay ("She's a Woman" I think?) some had little to none.
Some duophonic mixes can be put back to mono relatively unscathed - a German press of Jimi's AYE I picked up, with the UK track order & cover, makes me pretty happy and saved me a bit of money!
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #338900 is a reply to message #337011 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 15:16 |
John Gwatney
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While I would never in a million years recommend a book over Recording the Beatles, Mark Lewisohn's 1988 The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions gives a chronological overview of studio sessions, including mix information & was still readily found last I checked. According to that "Eight Days a Week" was mixed for stereo October 27 1964 w/ G. Martin producing and Norman Smith & Ken Scott the engineers. It does not indicate the mixes were redone, I don't think (the "Collection of Beatles Oldies" 66 LP - illustration cover? A sin, I know, but I've never spun that one). If they were remixed, probably not much help then! But likely a similar crew...
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #338918 is a reply to message #337123 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 17:38 |
 Stephen Payne
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| wwittman wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 20:25 |
Most casual listeners don't even NOTICE that a vocal is one channel... even in a car!
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That's kind of how I felt. Not that I didn't notice that they were on either side but since stereo was so new it was just no big deal.There was no "standard" really then. I thought it was cool!!
Steve
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #338919 is a reply to message #338918 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 17:46 |
Robert Shelton
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I must be in the minority because I find the extreme panning really annoying.
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #338921 is a reply to message #337011 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 17:57 |
mikey
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yea that was the nice thing about it
MIKEY
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #338928 is a reply to message #337011 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 19:02 |
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Brian Kehew
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Many people dislike extreme panning. It's one reason symmetrical mixes are the norm.
Norman Smith engineered virtually ALL the early Beatles work; Ken Scott's name is listed because he was assisting, pushing the buttons to work the tape machine and log notes - he didn't engineer until 1967.
Note that Capitol did not ALWAYS process the Beatles mixes - early stereo mixes WERE done at Abbey Road and sent to the USA, despite claims by George Martin. We think he simply forgot they had done this, as it was unimportant to them.
Relax and float downstream...
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #339105 is a reply to message #339098 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 12:55 |
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| noeqplease wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 13:26 |
PS I just got the "Recording the Beatles" book last week, it is AMAZING.
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That can't be said often enough. And just in case I haven't thanked Mr. Kehew for his amazing work recently- thanks again!
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
-Edmund Burke
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #339268 is a reply to message #339098 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 05:33 |
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| noeqplease wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 09:26 |
| JDNelson wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 14:53 |
Capitol USA also used their dubious 'Duophonic' process on the allegedly stereo releases of early Beatles LPs. I can't remember the exact details of the process (EQ? Delay?) but whatever it was it sounded pretty rank as I recall.
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In Sir Geogre Martin's Bio Book, Mr. Martin was LIVID when he heard what Capitol had done.
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Note that, while they didn't INTEND some of the songs to be mixed that way - he was involved in some of the mixes Capitol issued. He had them done and sent them to Capitol, but he forgot this later.
We/you may also be misinterpreting what he was upset with in some places - the changes/additions of songs to make a "new" Beatles record for America.
Note: His books are ghost-written/co-written as are most "insider" books, so what you may think is "George Martin says in his book" may be someone else's words.
Relax and float downstream...
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| Re: Beatle stereo mixes [message #339695 is a reply to message #339667 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 22:24 |
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| Enth wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 20:12 |
Do you want to listen mono, press the mono button!!
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You may be making a joke, but if not...
No, no!
The *real* mixes that were done with care and artist + producer inspection were only the mono mixes.
In most cases, until at least the very end, the stereo ones were basically afterthoughts, often done even after The Beatle members and/or Sir George had left the building.
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