| Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339396] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 14:10  |
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 GrahameD
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I just picked up Momofuku, Elvis Costello's latest.
I don't want to beat a dead horse, but... good lord.
I loaded in one from Aimee Mann's latest, plus Robert Wyatt's Shipbuilding and Chris Bell's You and Your Sister just to see them side by side.
It's a world gone mad.
http://www.crowdscene.co.uk
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| Re: Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339404 is a reply to message #339396 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 15:31  |
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There is a tiny little sliver of light there that we will have to get rid of.
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| Re: Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339413 is a reply to message #339396 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 16:06 |
dguidry
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I think some of the wave representations are deceiving. I can narrow focus a wave file to look like a brick, but in reality when its properly space out, it looks fine. A slow bpm song will appear different than a fast bpm song, but may have similar dynamic variations. That's all I'm saying.
Studio 89
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| Re: Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339417 is a reply to message #339396 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 16:24 |
RMoore
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2byfourmastering.com
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| Re: Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339427 is a reply to message #339419 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 17:01 |
RSettee
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Yeah, it puts it all in perspective. There's only so much that mastering engineers can do....they're getting these things already lit up at 0 dB and with pumping in there. People, I think, are just naively unaware that they should be leaving that stuff to the mastering engineer--more and more you're getting people that feel like they're saving people work down the line, when they're actually creating more work to try to fix what's already ruined. You can't remove pumping and brickwall limiting. These trends and the way the industry is going with sales, make me feel like quitting for 5-10 years to see if any sanity is restored.
Ryan Settee,
Instrospection Records
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| Re: Elvis's new record - mastering [message #339527 is a reply to message #339427 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 07:55 |
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Silvertone
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| RSettee wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 17:01 |
Yeah, it puts it all in perspective. There's only so much that mastering engineers can do....they're getting these things already lit up at 0 dB and with pumping in there. People, I think, are just naively unaware that they should be leaving that stuff to the mastering engineer--more and more you're getting people that feel like they're saving people work down the line, when they're actually creating more work to try to fix what's already ruined. You can't remove pumping and brickwall limiting. These trends and the way the industry is going with sales, make me feel like quitting for 5-10 years to see if any sanity is restored.
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Kind of,
Got a metal album in yesterday and it looks like 2x4's already, only the mixes still need to be mastered. Now I have to back things off just to get started... can you say "one step forward two steps back"...
Happens more and more even though everybody is aware of it. I thinks it's an ego thing more than anything else that causes it. Today people want to be able to do everything for the client. Trouble is you can only be so good at so many things.
And sorry but mastering is a completely different mindset then mixing (and it should be).
Funny thing is I get asked to mix all the time and I don't step back into those shoes (as I wouldn't want to master the project after I got done mixing it). But the other way around is the norm half the time now...
...and I don't want to hear about cost as 15 years later I still do the work for 1/3rd to 1/5th the price of the big boys. It's an excuse that doesn't hold up around here anymore. There are enough great mastering engineers out there that work for around the same price I do... JJ Golden, Michael Romanowski, Tom Volpicelli, Adam Dempsey, Thomas W. Bethel, Paul Gold, etc...
As for quiting for 5 or 10 years and coming back to the game...I'm also afraid sanity will never be restored.
...off to master a 2x4...
Larry DeVivo
Silvertone Mastering, Inc.
PO Box 4582
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
www.silvertonemastering.com
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