| Neumann TLM 67 [message #339559] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 10:03  |
 jzombie
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just saw this in the AES newsletter:
Regarding the TLM 67 - making its formal debut at AES Europe - Fraissinet reveals that it "basically has the shape of the old U67 but with a different content. The U67 was a tube microphone, but this new TLM has a special circuit which creates the typical sound of the old U67 tube mic. It also features a special colour so that it can be easily distinguished from a regular U87 or U67, and carries a special metal emblem showing Georg Neumann [to reflect] the company's 80 years."
(emphasis added to reflect my skepticism!)
Jeff Hoffman
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #339608 is a reply to message #339598 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 14:16  |
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Klaus Heyne
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Can we maybe wait with the (predictable) nagging until there is at least some rudimentary information as to the technical execution of this new mic?
Or, God forbid, until someone has actually TRIED one of these?
If you want to know how unproductive, if not unpleasant, talk can be when people know not a thing about this mic, take a quick look at some other forums!
Klaus Heyne
German Masterworks
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #339617 is a reply to message #339612 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 14:47 |
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Klaus Heyne
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It is fair to assume that a "TLM" designation on a yet to be released new Neumann mic indicates a certain design direction.
However, the actual execution of this mic is unknown as of yet, and I feel it is the smart and adult thing to postpone judgement until real information is in how much Neumann has or has not learned from past TLM experiences.
Best regards,
Klaus Heyne
German Masterworks
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #339622 is a reply to message #339617 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 15:27 |
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Schallfeldnebel
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It has not a real professional appearance, more like an aniversary model. If it would be sounding OK, I would order it in U87 silver.
Microphones-Odd Technology? Probably microphone users seem to be more odd than Microphone Technology.
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #340879 is a reply to message #339559 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 02:17 |
Nick Eipers
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While I haven't heard the TLM67, nor know the price, I don't see why Neumann is doing something "bad" or "wrong" by designing and building mics that the project/home studio can afford.
Sure, they market it like it's a U67 for cheap - what choice do they have? Have you read the ads for M-Audio's Sputnik? SE Electronics? Rode? "Just like a vintage German tube mic for $299", "Beat our U47 in 9 out of 10 tests" etc... Yikes! Unfortunately, marketing to that audience is a little different than the engineer using U67s, U47s and M49s on a regular basis...
You can call it "cashing in", or "lowering their standards", but I'd rather buy a TLM103 than ANY of the dozen-plus Chinese and Australian mics I've demoed. Much rather.
I haven't heard the TLM49, nor therefore Neumann's "special circuit", but - taking into account the included shockmount - it's also in the sub-$1k range. The only other "real" LDC mics in that range would by the 414, and maybe an Audio Technica 4050/4060. Again, I'd rank the TLM103 as useful as those.
Nick Eipers
Freelance Recording Engineer / Producer
Shantyville Recording Studio / Chicago Recording Company
Adjunct Faculty, Columbia College Chicago, Dept. of Audio Arts & Acoustics
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #340908 is a reply to message #339559 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 06:44 |
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I agree with JJ that the Chameleon TS-2 is a microphone I would prefer to purchase over the TLM103.
That is why I did so.
I also bought two Chameleon TS-1's, two Røde NT-5's, and three NT-4's rather than the 184.
And I can afford any new Neumann, should I want one.
Also, I don't think Røde have ever advertised themselves as "just like a vintage xxx." Reviewers, perhaps, but we know about them.
My favourite microphones of course ARE my vintage 47's, 49's etc.
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #341007 is a reply to message #340882 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 12:40 |
Nick Eipers
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| J.J. Blair wrote on Tue, 13 May 2008 02:24 |
Nick, you need to try to Chameleon TS2. It kills the TLM103. The Langevin CR3A always killed the TLM103, and that was mainly a Chinese mic. It even killed the U87, IMHO.
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Overall, my point wasn't that the TLM103 was the best mic in its price range, but a viable alternative in its price range. Moreover, that there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with making such a mic - like Fender making the Squire line, or an Epiphone Les Paul.
I haven't heard the Langevin or Chameleon, but it was a respected engineer with a serious list of credits (and serious tone) who first told me about the SE5600, "as good as a U47" was part of his speech... So forgive my skepticism, but that mic was one of the worst sounding LDCs I've ever heard. Followed closely by the Rode NT2 and K2.
Nick Eipers
Freelance Recording Engineer / Producer
Shantyville Recording Studio / Chicago Recording Company
Adjunct Faculty, Columbia College Chicago, Dept. of Audio Arts & Acoustics
www.nickeipers.com
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| Re: Neumann TLM 67 [message #341026 is a reply to message #341007 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 13:23 |
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 Barry Hufker
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I hate those "sounds as good as" statements. By whose standards and under what conditions and ...?
I once had a Shure/Schoeps dealer tell me an SM-81 was as good as a Schoeps cardioid. I knew he was full of shit but I made the comparison in case I might be wrong about this. I wasn't. He was full of it and I've never purchased anything from him.
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