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| sonny wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 15:37 |
Rode NT2000. Not identical but does a similar job and has similar applications. Bit more top in them but a 5k shelf @ -2db sorts it usually.
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I'll also second the NT-2000, A much bigger mic than one would expect (in physical size), and in some ways not terribly beautiful to look at with those pots right in front. But it is a nice everyday microphone. Easy to sing on. Every singer on whom I've used it liked it.
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #207302 is a reply to message #207285 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 16:11 |
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| Dave Martin wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 15:07 |
| Fibes wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 10:18 |
Heh.
That's why this is still referred to as Harvey's forum even though Dave and I get to hang here.
Harvey is the man.
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Well, we'll get to hang here until someone in a position of authority wises up and realizes that it IS Harvey's forum and takes our names off ...
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Nah, it ain't Dave's or Fibes' or my forum; it belongs to all the people here who come to our rescue when we don't have a clue as to an answer.
We're just the janitors here.
Harvey "Wait, I didn't say 'Rolling" yet." Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #209738 is a reply to message #208421 ] |
Tue, 02 January 2007 13:07 |
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| Jeff4h wrote on Tue, 26 December 2006 07:51 |
wasnt the studio projects C1 supposed to be shooting for a U87 sound
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I don't think so .... if that's what they were shooting for they missed the target by a mile. IMO the entire SP line has more of an AKG type thing ... bright high end and a hyped mid range sort of like a 414 or a C12 but not as nice, But then what doo you expect for less than 1/3rd the cost?
The SPs are well built and they record well, but they sound nothing like a U87 or a U87ai.
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #339701 is a reply to message #339538 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 22:56 |
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| Allan J T wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 08:57 |
Nice, comprehensive list. Do you have an opinion whether deep-, husky-voiced male VO artists (doing the range of work from intimate narration to hard, 'rock' commercials) tend to prefer the older or newer U87 sound...and, based on that, which model?
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Allan
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The new 87 sound way brighter to me than the older units. In darker, low cost mics, check out the Marshall V67, the V69 and the 960. In Studio Projects, check out the JM47, and check out the ADK Hamburg's.
Harvey "Wait, I didn't say 'Rolling" yet." Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #339742 is a reply to message #339701 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 07:33 |
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| hargerst wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 04:56 |
| Allan J T wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 08:57 |
Nice, comprehensive list. Do you have an opinion whether deep-, husky-voiced male VO artists (doing the range of work from intimate narration to hard, 'rock' commercials) tend to prefer the older or newer U87 sound...and, based on that, which model?
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Allan
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The new 87 sound way brighter to me than the older units. In darker, low cost mics, check out the Marshall V67, the V69 and the 960. In Studio Projects, check out the JM47, and check out the ADK Hamburg's.
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Both old as well as new 87's can vary quite a deal from unit to unit.
However, my experience is that a good new specimen gives you a more close-up "in your face" modern sound with a sharper top end and upper mid-range. This is sometimes just the ticket.
Whereas a good old specimen of this microphone often has less bite, less hyped top end, some more noise, but it just sounds a bit more romantic and cuddly. Warm is a word that perhaps should be avoided, but still... it sounds warmer. 
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #339796 is a reply to message #200993 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 11:30 |
Larry Villella
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Thanks Harvey!
When I did my first recordings, with the Chick Corea Circle Group
tracking them live for a week at the Jazz Workshop in Boston, I recall
we had 8 brand-new U-87's. Using analog tape, they were very useful
for Anthony Braxton's various Reeds, to Dave Hollands Cello, Chick's Piano.
That said, when I had a working studio in the 90's, the old '87s
just didn't seem to translate well to the early Digital A/D's.
"Grainy, angular, pinched, or nasal" were the descriptions.
(Especially when you plugged in a U-67 next to the U-87!)
If you A/B the A/B the ADK Hamburg Edition to various Neumann
mics, you will find it's closer to a U-67 than a recent U-87.
(Albeit a FET '67 kind of sound). Call it a tonal "blend".
As for Drum OH, or almost any Drum Elements, I am think the
new S-7 is the Drummer's Dream Mic. . . .
However, Lennie Kravitz, Kathy Mattea, and Ray Charles,
Former Nirvana Recordist Mike Lastra - all use ADK Tube
Mics (TT / TC) for Drum OH. FET or Valves, we have the
Drum Mics that seem to resonate with drummers. Thanks!
Larry Villella / ADK)))
www.adkmic.com
www.myspace.com/adkmic
Larry J. Villella, Founder, ADK Microphones
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #340669 is a reply to message #202666 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 13:08 |
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| Fibes wrote on Thu, 30 November 2006 18:47 |
But if one wants to really look at a workhorse mic, sans vibe appeal, and something I have found to be similar to the U87 I would look closely at the Shure KSM44 and KSM32.
Kill me, I really consider them superior to many of the new Neumanns.
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Agreed.
When I worked at Shure in product development, we used to drop KSM32s to the ground and drag them around by the cord. Then we would ask the studio owner to let us try it with their 87s - none would let us.
To my ears, a KSM32 sounds perfect. Better even than the 44 in cardiod, IMO. However, I use a lot of 44s, too - as omni and figure-8 are used often.
My love for U-87s died when I heard a U-67 (or even an 89).
Today's 87s are a poor substitute, unfortunately.
$0.02,
Fig
The easiest thing to do is the thing most easily forgotten.
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #341422 is a reply to message #340669 ] |
Wed, 14 May 2008 14:28 |
Larry Villella
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Thanks for asking !
Suzy Boggus has a TT for her vocals and a pair of A6 for guitars.
An unpaid and unsolicited testimonial from her will appear on our main website soon: http://www.adkmic.com/testimonials/index.php
For whatever reason, the acoustic guys and gals in Nashville have been ADK Supporters for ten years. Ed Cash,
Mick Conley, and Ronnie Brookshire are three 'first-call' engineers who, among others, use ADK mics and pre-amps.
Our distributor, Dana B Goods, will be displaying all the New for 2008 ADK Gear at Summer NAMM.
Cheers!
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Larry J. Villella, Founder, ADK Microphones
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #341563 is a reply to message #340669 ] |
Wed, 14 May 2008 22:49 |
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| Fig wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 14:08 |
When I worked at Shure in product development, we used to drop KSM32s to the ground and drag them around by the cord. Then we would ask the studio owner to let us try it with their 87s - none would let us.
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While I can understand the desire to drop a KSM32 on the floor and drag it around I can equally understand someones unwillingness to allow that to be done with their U87.
While I've never treated a microphone that way, I did once do something similar with a Gibson guitar, but there were extenuating circumstances and all reliable witnesses have since passed away.
Let's get one thing straight-I'm not an audio engineer and never said I was. I've just got some things I have to record.(IS)
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #341841 is a reply to message #341641 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 19:38 |
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I've always liked the shure mics, very solid and good quality sound. The only thing I drug around on the floor is the band leader one night when he started the last set with "Old Time Rock and Roll" for the 100th time!
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| Re: U87 Clone? [message #341851 is a reply to message #341641 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 20:16 |
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| Fig wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55 |
| Bill Urick wrote on Wed, 14 May 2008 22:49 |
| Fig wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 14:08 |
When I worked at Shure in product development, we used to drop KSM32s to the ground and drag them around by the cord. Then we would ask the studio owner to let us try it with their 87s - none would let us.
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While I can understand the desire to drop a KSM32 on the floor and drag it around I can equally understand someones unwillingness to allow that to be done with their U87
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OooooooF!
I guess I walked right into that one!
My point was about the rugged and reliable nature of Shure's design philosophy versus the delicateness of other "studio" mics.
Fig
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Sorry, what can I say...it was an easy shot and I took it.
(IS)
Let's get one thing straight-I'm not an audio engineer and never said I was. I've just got some things I have to record.(IS)
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