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Re: Peluso mics? [message #338725 is a reply to message #338655 ]

Sat, 03 May 2008 01:26

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I have a pair of the Peluso P28 mid-diaphragm tube mics, which are allegedly "inspired" by the Neumann KM54 and various AKG SD tube mics. All I can say is that the P28 pair is rather nice and add to the Schoeps CMC6/MK4 and Gefell M294 pairs I also have. Different, for sure, and very complimentary.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #338774 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Sat, 03 May 2008 14:18

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What about one of these.I thought you said you bought one of these Fletcher
http://www.studioreviews.com/telefunken-ak47-m16-review.htm

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #338891 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46

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I have one of each of the Telefunken R-F-T mics... love the hell out of them. There is a song on the Mercenary "myspace" page called "Begin Again" which was recorded with an AK-47 mkII on the vocal and an M-16 mkII on the guitar. The song was cut live with both mics in "figure 8" pattern. Here's a link if you're interested http://www.myspace.com/mercenaryaudio

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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
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Re: Peluso mics? [message #338939 is a reply to message #338891 ]

Sun, 04 May 2008 20:06

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good sound on that track. nice compression, tasteful and an overall real pro sounding job. hats off to the crew.

I can't even come up with a smarmy remark, which has me feeling uncomfortable.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339185 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Mon, 05 May 2008 18:45

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There wasn't any compression... it was mic's to pre-amps to storage with a very small bit of KSP-8 for reverb... converters were RADAR, I forget what pre's we used.

Fletcher
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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339376 is a reply to message #339185 ]

Tue, 06 May 2008 13:19

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how do you track with two diferent mics in figure 8 and keep phase in check? there is the mid side way of a figure 8 and a cardiod to mid side processing. But with two mic in figure 8, is one left the other right, or do you pan them both in the middle?

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339380 is a reply to message #339376 ]

Tue, 06 May 2008 13:35

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no compression on the mixdown either? maybe its just good mic technique, which i don't get to hear a lot of, these days. Smile

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339457 is a reply to message #339376 ]

Tue, 06 May 2008 19:12

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brett wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 14:19

how do you track with two diferent mics in figure 8 and keep phase in check?

You use two mics in "figure 8" to pretty much eliminate phase issues.

With a cardioid pickup pattern it's only really "cardioid" down to [usually] in vacinity of about 4-500HZ before it goes "omni". With a figure 8 pattern the front diaphragm is electronicly 180° out of polarity with the rear diaphragm causing a full bandwidth cancellation between common sounds within the "null band".

This full bandwidth cancellation is the key. You aim the "null" of the guitar mic at the singer's mouth and the "null" of the vocal mic at the guitar.

For all intents and purposes you end up with two completely discrete tracks... one voice, one guitar. You will get bleed issues if you use compression with this [at least on the individual mics] as there is some residue but it's usually a good 50-60db down. If you use compression you'll pull the residue up to the point where it can often screw with "the other" sound.

In the case of "Begin Again" the vocal was on the AK-47 mkII with the null aimed at the guitar and the guitar was an M-16 mkII with the null aimed at the voice. There is a picture of the setup on the "myspace" page... if you click the song you get the picture of the setup.

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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339578 is a reply to message #338891 ]

Wed, 07 May 2008 11:57

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Fletcher wrote on Sun, 04 May 2008 11:46

I have one of each of the Telefunken R-F-T mics... love the hell out of them. There is a song on the Mercenary "myspace" page called "Begin Again" which was recorded with an AK-47 mkII on the vocal and an M-16 mkII on the guitar. The song was cut live with both mics in "figure 8" pattern. Here's a link if you're interested http://www.myspace.com/mercenaryaudio

I am looking at these, perhaps I'll buy both.

What have you used them on so far? Is there a preference as to what you would use them for?

I'm already at 25 mics of different flavors. I keep telling my wife:

"At least I don't collect Ferraris, they're more money"

Thanks for any comments on these.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339729 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Thu, 08 May 2008 05:17

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I use them in a very wide variety of applications from the "guitar/voice" thing I pointed out earlier to Piano [M-16 bass strings, AK-47 over "the label] to drum overheads [M-16 on the hat side, AK-47 on the ride side] as well as on vocals.

More than "for the money" I think they're wonderful sounding tools... but as always... YMMV.

Peace.

Fletcher
Mercenary Audio

mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339845 is a reply to message #339729 ]

Thu, 08 May 2008 14:27

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I am still confused about the figure 8 method on the live act with the nulls pointing at the other side. Wouldn't you still be picking up what is front of the players as well. Like the audience and the room? Why not just use cardiods pointing only at the subject?

You mentioned cardiods are omni at higher freq? I haven't noticed that with dynamic mics. Is that a condensor thing?

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339863 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Thu, 08 May 2008 15:25

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I read the Barry Rudolph review of the Peluso 22 47SE in this month's Mix:

http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/audio_peluso_se_tube/

I wonder how many people who have A/B'ed the Peluso with a U47 conclude, as Barry did, that the difference between the two is almost imperceptible. That seems unlikely, since the only thing the mics share is a similar housing and grille. It may very well be a great mic, but c'mon, this "sounds-just-like-a-$10K-mic-for-under-$2K" hype is suspect.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339916 is a reply to message #335834 ]

Thu, 08 May 2008 21:13

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He said that he tunes the mics by ear. Now, correct me if the doctors are wrong, but after you hit your forties, you have moderate to normal hearing loss, a shift in the threshold, and you most certainly have lost some top end. So this guy is what in his 50's, maybe older, and he is tuning mics? Is this the reason that they all sound so hyped on the top end? I'm just thinking out loud here.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339956 is a reply to message #335614 ]

Fri, 09 May 2008 03:04

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He means the "note" of the capsule.
It's skin tension. Like tuning a drum head, just much smaller lugs.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339958 is a reply to message #339956 ]

Fri, 09 May 2008 03:20

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Klaus might chime in here but here's the little I know: omni mics (the single diaphragm variety at least) resonate at the top of the pass band. Ribbon mics resonate at the bottom of the pass band. Pressure gradient mics resonate right in the middle. The fundamental resonance is highly damped (otherwise bandwidth would be naught), higher order modes are not, if at all. They show up as distortion, not as response aberrations. It strikes me as impractical to try and tame these by ear only.

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Re: Peluso mics? [message #339970 is a reply to message #339845 ]

Fri, 09 May 2008 05:46

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brett wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 15:27

I am still confused about the figure 8 method on the live act with the nulls pointing at the other side. Wouldn't you still be picking up what is front of the players as well. Like the audience and the room? Why not just use cardiods pointing only at the subject?

You mentioned cardiods are omni at higher freq? I haven't noticed that with dynamic mics. Is that a condensor thing?

I mentioned that cardioid mics are omni from the low mids down... totally omni from around 250Hz down... starting to get omni at around 4-500Hz depending on the mic.

Yes, you will get some "room" in the mics but it's pretty negligible in the overall scheme of things as there will be a far greater sound pressure level on the "business side" of the microphone's capsule than the back side of the capsule.

It's a pretty neat trick... give it a shot and you'll understand it in a heartbeat.

Peace.

Fletcher
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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
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