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| Re: ADK "Vienna" vs. C-12 comparisons in studio [message #298752 is a reply to message #298738 ] |
Tue, 18 December 2007 21:44   |
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 J.J. Blair
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The unfortunate thing is that frequency response print outs really tell you nothing. You can take a K47 based mic and a CK12 based mic, futz with the electronics so that the frequency response is almost dead on, and they will still have a totally different timbre, due to the acoustical properties of the capsule, and various elements that respond differently to dynamic situations.
That C12 basket is a huge part of the sound, too. It's pretty damn transparent.
Still, it would be nice to know if it is anything like a C12. If it's even as close as my Pape is, it's something I would recommend to people who want that sound. Aside from the Bock mics, I haven't heard a mic based on a CK12 mic that sounded close, yet.
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| Re: ADK "Vienna" vs. C-12 comparisons in studio [message #298814 is a reply to message #298808 ] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 09:04 |
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| Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 09:38 |
Terry,
The mod for your C12VR is exciting. I am eager to read your report. I hope the mod will give you the mic you want.
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Well, could it possibly be worse than a stock VR?
I will ask The Modder if he minds a thread about the specifics.
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| Re: ADK "Vienna" vs. C-12 comparisons in studio [message #298820 is a reply to message #298646 ] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 09:25 |
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The AKG C12VR was the biggest disappointment of any microphone I ever bought, and totally turned my off of ever buying any NEW AKG products again.
Also I swore to spread the word.
Now I am determined to Fix the Problem, and undo the bad they have done to their product.
The only AKG I would ever get now would be old things.
And it's getting to be the same with Neumann...
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| Re: ADK "Vienna" vs. C-12 comparisons in studio [message #303924 is a reply to message #298646 ] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 17:06 |
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Billy Yates
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Registered: August 2007
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I have some news and its all good.
First, I did use the GK67 Hamburg C-12 version during overdubs this past weekend. It was used as an overhead spot mic for violin in conjunction with a Royer 121 & U87 for close mic's
This combination proved to be very wonderful for several reasons.
Having never recorded violin before I relied on gut instinct and my ears to figure the best way to capture the sound of the Violinist beautiful instrument. The results were flattering...The U87 captured the brightness, The Royer captured the natural warmth and the ADK gave it the body I was looking for. The "Hamburg" as it is known is a very sweet sounding microphone to be sure, without any hyped HF or boominess. It felt real and quite frankly I could have recorded the violin with that alone. It seemed like it thrives when pushed and reacts very well with the instrument and the room.
I ran the ADK through a 1976 Neve 1081, set flat. The Royer was sent through one of the Trident A range strips and the U87 through a 1272. This gives the mix engineer some tonal options for each song when trying to figure out what sits in the mix best. For me, I thought the combination worked very well indeed. The client was thrilled with the sound.
Next, the final vocals will be recorded with the ADK Hamburg or Vienna against a vintage C-12. The results of that session will be posted here. Part 2 will post shortly.
Billy Yates
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Billy Yates
Venice Amplifier Co
310 425 2566
AES Member 72975
"Mix? What mix? Oh, that mix...it's easy!
Because it's all Digital, the only thing you have to do is pour a bunch of zero's and one's into a blender and push "mix". Then, you pray."
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| Re: ADK "Vienna" vs. C-12 comparisons in studio [message #303933 is a reply to message #298646 ] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 17:35 |
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Billy Yates
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Registered: August 2007
Location: Venice California |
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This weekend, we will start working with Phil Sayce (Melissa Ethridge) & Nathan Crow on 3 new songs. I called up Larry Villella, CEO of ADK and asked him if I could hold onto the mics through the weekend. The results of the conversation led to him sending down 2 more microphones for us to try out! This cat is unreal...one of the truly good guys in our business and whats more, I will meet him at NAMM next week. So, I am on track to accomplish more than I thought in terms of comparing microphones for purchase. I will now have more to choose from and target what I really need. Moreover, the tests for comparison are actual recordings being used to promote the artists. This should be a fun and revealing body of work.
In my quest of being totally unbiased and objective in all of this,
He has made it very easy for me and there is no hidden agenda. He knows this will help him to get some real data that will assist in his journey towards perfection. It will also help me to determine what works and how well. Touche!
Any of you local honks going to be free on Saturday or Sunday?
Vocals and Piano are planned for then...ROSS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
Billy Yates
Billy Yates
Venice Amplifier Co
310 425 2566
AES Member 72975
"Mix? What mix? Oh, that mix...it's easy!
Because it's all Digital, the only thing you have to do is pour a bunch of zero's and one's into a blender and push "mix". Then, you pray."
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