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Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #322911]

Sat, 08 March 2008 23:17

Cyclops
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Registered: January 2005
Location: Long Beach, CA

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Hello all,

I am considering a coleman for monitoring instead of my Mackie board. Given the fact that I use an ART 31 band eq right before the amp for minor room correction, is passive monitoring even worth it? In other words, I'm wondering whether or not the mere presence of the 31 band eq would "un-passive" the monitoring chain in the first place..........or at least diminish any benefits I might have achieved by leaving the mackie behind for the coleman.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Jeff Reed

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #322934 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Sun, 09 March 2008 05:20

myNameIsGeorge
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get rid of the cheap 31 EQ..

read www.realtraps.com and ethan whiner comments about phase, frequencie and time domain..

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #323039 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Sun, 09 March 2008 15:45

Cyclops
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Good shout!

JR

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Sun, 09 March 2008 15:57

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I think perhaps you don;t understand the terminology. Passive monitors are ones that don't have amps built in. Active monitors do, like Genelecs.

As far as EQing goes, if the room is doing things acoustically, you can't fix that with EQ. EQ is more to help the speakers sound right, not the room.

Tuning the speakers is generally only done on large soffit speakers. It is rarely ever done on near field monitors. If you have to use a multiband EQ on near fields, then the speaker is either crappy or broken, or the room sounds like shit. If the room sounds like shit, you shouldn't be mixing in there.

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #323046 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Sun, 09 March 2008 16:07

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Room EQ is a fresh white tshirt on a shotgun wound, anyway.
The phase integrity gets lost in the EQ and you are worse than before.
Or, for digital EQ, "What,I have to go from A to D and back just to voice the room? Count me out!

Plus, you can pump another 10 dB of EQ at a room mode freq and it will get louder in the corner somewhere, lol, but it won't get any louder at the mix position. Evil or Very Mad

I EQ with a saw, whenever possible.

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #323069 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Sun, 09 March 2008 18:05

Fletcher
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Foxboro, MA

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Indeed!!

You can NOT tune a room with an equalizer... you can only "tune" your speakers.

In the case of cheap EQ's like the ART they're really only useful for killing feedback at a club gig with floor wedges... in other words: GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM!!!!

NOW

After that a passive system will be fine... and you should have few if any worries.

I hope this is of some assistance!!

Peace.

Fletcher
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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #330403 is a reply to message #323069 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 17:44

bjornson
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Pittsburgh Pa.

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Fletcher wrote on Sun, 09 March 2008 23:05

Indeed!!

In the case of cheap EQ's like the ART they're really only useful for killing feedback at a club gig with floor wedges... in other words: GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM

Peace.

It would get laughed out of any decent monitor rack too...

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #330811 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Sat, 05 April 2008 07:23

Fletcher
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Decent monitor rack yes... but in a <200 person bar room anything is fair game and in play [mixed a friend's band on a Behringer desk a week or so ago... did monitors from FOH... man did that suck!!]

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #331282 is a reply to message #323046 ]

Mon, 07 April 2008 09:37

David Kulka
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Larrchild wrote on Sun, 09 March 2008 14:07

...for digital EQ, "What,I have to go from A to D and back just to voice the room? Count me out!...

For similar reasons, I wonder whether desks and monitor systems with digital outputs, and speakers with digital inputs will ever be popular. You'd be locked out of analog EQ, and bass management and nearfield options would get very messy. Digital monitoring would probably cost much more on the mixer side, another disincentive. Are monitor outs on consoles locked into analog for a long long time, even if other I/O's (except for mic pre ins) migrate to digital?

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Re: Passive Monitoring WITH a 31 band eq? [message #331394 is a reply to message #322911 ]

Mon, 07 April 2008 15:56

Larrchild
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Probably when speakers have AES connectors, David.
Dual analog/digital outputs would still be needed though.
For our Time Modulators on the auxes..and such.=)

Larry Janus
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