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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329633 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 00:55

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i dont want specific settings. just an idea about what to look for( do you want mostly pumping or dinamic control? or something else?).
this is a new way to mix for me. and it seems that you have to set up the release and attack times by experience more than by ear.
i set it to do only 2 db max of gain reduction and the attack not too fast to let some punch come thru. i will adjust it later to make it pump i little.

Gabriel Fonts.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329696 is a reply to message #329614 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 10:51

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J-Texas wrote

That kick is music to my ears man! K-POW!

It's a triggered sample.

Is there supposed to be a dry kick track?

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329698 is a reply to message #329696 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 10:57

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YIKES! My ears are ringing! WHOOHOOOOO! Very Happy

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329779 is a reply to message #329696 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 16:14

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cymatics wrote on Tue, 01 April 2008 10:51

J-Texas wrote

That kick is music to my ears man! K-POW!

It's a triggered sample.

Is there supposed to be a dry kick track?

yes

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329790 is a reply to message #329779 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 16:49

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dry?

the sample is dry.

you didn't get the original kick for 3 reasons.

in order:

1. i made one drum edit that i didn't feel like recreating on the original kick track.
2. the original was recorded with an SM-57 (it's all we had) through a sans amp bass driver as a last ditch effort to get a 57 to do something that resembled a kick drum. it's horrible, it had to be replaced.
3. for the people trying to copy my mix, i thought this was much more fair then giving them a total piece of garbage kick sound and leave wondering what sample i used and how they were going to match it.

deal with it.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329792 is a reply to message #329633 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 16:52

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fantomas wrote on Tue, 01 April 2008 00:55

i dont want specific settings. just an idea about what to look for( do you want mostly pumping or dinamic control? or something else?).
this is a new way to mix for me. and it seems that you have to set up the release and attack times by experience more than by ear.
i set it to do only 2 db max of gain reduction and the attack not too fast to let some punch come thru. i will adjust it later to make it pump i little.

Gabriel Fonts.

don't adjust it later, do all adjustments earlier. mixing through the thing will have you mix sounding the way you want with those settings. if you change them later all your balances will be off and you'll blame the compressor and not yourself.

i wouldn't hit it more then 4dB.....but that's just me.

2 is a great place to start. as you mix and the gain reduction goes up, adjust your threshold and makeup gain accordingly to keep things feeling good.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329827 is a reply to message #329790 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 19:35

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j.hall wrote on Tue, 01 April 2008 22:49

dry?

the sample is dry.
[snip]
deal with it.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/cymatics/8c2fb852.jpg

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #329862 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Tue, 01 April 2008 21:55

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Downloaded, imported, gave a quick listen to the raw tracks. Punched the ex's cat in the throat a few times, listened again, and started mixing.......

I like.... just the right amount of angry in this tune......

Wheee!

Wherever I shall go, that is where I will end up

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330208 is a reply to message #329862 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 09:27

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i decided that for those who are going to submit to the "beat j.hall's mix" submission the judging should be a little more maticulous.

Brad Blackwood has agreed to "judge" that submission thread. Dave McNair may join him as well.

mastering engineers listen differently then us mixers, they aren't distracted by a cool sounding snare drum. overall tonal balance, impact, density, stereo image, depth of field......these are the things that they are listening for.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330292 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 12:03

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This song was a blast to pull up...it's like Helmet meets Prong in a dark alley with a short skirt on (or something like that)...but NOISY!

I'll definitely be interested in hearing how these all stack up...I'm guessing this will be a really diverse collection of mixes regardless of trying to copy j.'s mix or not!

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I'm utterly baffled at the general opinion regarding smoking. I don't smoke, but it's a bar, for God's sake. That's what your supposed to expect. It's a den of iniquity where people are going to indulge in all of the minor vices and sins denied to them during their mundane workdays. You can wreck your liver, ruin your hearing, get into a fight, and pick up an STD, but somehow smoking is unacceptable? Sheesh. We've turned into a nation of entitled whiners.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330436 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 20:17

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Icombs -

Are you implying that Helmet wasn't noisy?

Matt

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330452 is a reply to message #330436 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 21:37

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who engineered the song?

p.s. you guys are gonna hate my mix Smile

Smile

peace

beau

I'll take ape tit for 500.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330470 is a reply to message #330292 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 22:40

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iCombs wrote on Thu, 03 April 2008 12:03

This song was a blast to pull up...it's like Helmet meets Prong in a dark alley with a short skirt on (or something like that)...but NOISY!

I'll definitely be interested in hearing how these all stack up...I'm guessing this will be a really diverse collection of mixes regardless of trying to copy j.'s mix or not!

Did Prong or Helmet have the skirt on? Surprised

Surprised

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330482 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Thu, 03 April 2008 23:28

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My take is that this is the band that a nascent Ian McKaye would be in if Jaz Coleman got a hold of him and they moved to NYC and hung out with Unsane.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330500 is a reply to message #330470 ]

Fri, 04 April 2008 01:36

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J-Texas wrote on Thu, 03 April 2008 22:40

iCombs wrote on Thu, 03 April 2008 12:03

This song was a blast to pull up...it's like Helmet meets Prong in a dark alley with a short skirt on (or something like that)...but NOISY!

I'll definitely be interested in hearing how these all stack up...I'm guessing this will be a really diverse collection of mixes regardless of trying to copy j.'s mix or not!

Did Prong or Helmet have the skirt on? Surprised

Surprised

hard to say...the vocals remind me of Tommy Victor for some reason, though...not totally, but there's something in the delivery that hits me similarly.

Ian Combs
Producer/Engineer
Lightspeed Group, Inc.
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I'm utterly baffled at the general opinion regarding smoking. I don't smoke, but it's a bar, for God's sake. That's what your supposed to expect. It's a den of iniquity where people are going to indulge in all of the minor vices and sins denied to them during their mundane workdays. You can wreck your liver, ruin your hearing, get into a fight, and pick up an STD, but somehow smoking is unacceptable? Sheesh. We've turned into a nation of entitled whiners.

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Re: IMP17 begins [message #330540 is a reply to message #329329 ]

Fri, 04 April 2008 07:45

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Good call on the Tommy Victor-esque vox (specifically the chorus back ups). I'm really digging this song as well. I immediately thought of Barkmarket & Helmet. I'm looking forward to finding out who the band is (at the end of the IMP) so I can check out some more of their stuff.

I'm opting for the 'beat J's mix' route. Here's my prediction:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/cymatics/7f15d70e.gif

BTW - That's my mix in the black trunks.

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