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| Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion [message #332207 is a reply to message #331863 ] |
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bblackwood
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| Billybehdaz wrote on Wed, 09 April 2008 06:58 |
Hi Brad, thanks for the comments. This brings some more questions. What part of the song are you considering the "chorus"? I'm assuming the part with the downstroke power chords and 8th notes on the crash, please correct me if I'm wrong so I can interpret you comments better.
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Sorry, to be clear, the section from 0:23-0:48 and the 'outro' (yah, the j. doesn't exactly stick to standard ABABCBB-type arrangements...)
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Also, which vox delay do you feel sounds cheap? The slapback on the lead or the 1/8 note that comes in on the 'chorus'.
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The slap-back on the lead during the 'verses'.
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I used a lot of automation in the song so it would build from beginning to end with the intention that the outro would really slam. It sounds like this is a problem for mastering? I did some of this with master fader rides because I was compressing the buss from the beginning. I think there was only about a 1.5db shift from front to back, too much?
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Yah, too much. basically, the outro part of the song will dictate how loud the track can get, meaning that it will 'set the standard' - either it will be WAY louder than the rest of the record or the front end will be way quieter.
FWIW, it doesn't matter how little or much you automated it - the outro chorus sounds about 3dB louder than the first chorus ( as 'chorus' is defined by me above)...
Brad Blackwood
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"Enjoy sound." - Greg Calbi
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| Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion [message #332388 is a reply to message #332356 ] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 18:03 |
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bblackwood
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| J-Texas wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 16:55 |
I mean this VERY seriously:
When you master, do you go for what most people think is "good"?
I don't know another way to make that NOT sound sarcastic.
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Yes and no. Yes, you want to please the most people with the sound of the recording, but no, I wont compromise something simply because I don't think most people will like it.
The fact is everyone hears things differently, but like any other data grouping, you can make a representative bell curve of how people hear things. When mastering, we are trying to get everything we can out of the mix, to make it match the artist's ideal first and foremost, but after that, there is a certain amount of effort trying to fit it in the window where it sounds 'good'. IMO, the ability to do this is one of the things that determines the overall commercial success an engineer enjoys.
My point is this: if you asked 100 people if your mix was too dark and bass heavy, I'll bet 95 (or more) of the them would answer 'yes'.
Brad Blackwood
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"Enjoy sound." - Greg Calbi
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| Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion [message #332409 is a reply to message #331375 ] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 19:00 |
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Good is so 1978. 
I think I was 1 year old back then.
Scott Selfridge
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| Re: IMP17 Beat J.Hall Discussion [message #332427 is a reply to message #331658 ] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 20:26 |
maxim
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brad wrote:
"maxim - ...mix very dark..."
it was half-deliberate
obviously, i want to get it as close to finished as possible, but, if pushed, i'd rather have the mix too dark than too bright for the ME
would you be able to fix it in mastering?
cheers,
max
sydney, oz
http://www.asylumdreams.com
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