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Thu, 08 May 2008 08:43   |
 MDM,
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hehehe
Actually I am only pointing out a video made by someone else, and it seems to be a well-made video with some good points..
now, if you ONLY want to believe what the establishment tells you is the truth, DOUBT is not something YOU will ever experience..
without doubt you will never question, and without questioning... well, you figure it out.
if you take a look at the HISTORY of pharmaceutical companies as well as organized medicine, you will see that at the top of the pyramid are the very same financial heads which have brought you so many of this centuries' greatest 'crimes' if you permit my use of the word...
in the real world crimes are committed by poor citizens, when very powerful men (like our friends in the white house) commit mass-murder and fraudulent business it's not called a crime..
so this may or may not be a cure, or prevention, but it is worthy of DOUBT..
as for cyanide being a poison etc..
funny that b17 is illegal but man-made products such as cigarettes, which have cyanide in the smoke, as well as b12, aren't..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339762 is a reply to message #339752 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 09:53 |
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Max, don't waste your energy debating Keith, its long established that he'll deride anything you post. Thanks for bringing this up.
Keith, when you've had cancer, survive and it and have had experience of the American cancer industry, I'll find these anti-Max posts germane to the topic.
I'm grateful to everyone, surgeons, (some) nurses, hospitals, faith-healers, therapists, who helped my fly through my experience of it. But I got to see intimately where the profit centers are. Like anything else in modern America, its money that matters, not survival.
DS
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist Max Planck, from a speech he delivered in Florence, Italy in 1944, entitled "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Character of Matter)
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all." - Stephen Hawking
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339764 is a reply to message #339762 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 09:57 |
ssltech
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Dan, how many family members do I have to have die of cancer to qualify? -Or does it HAVE to be me? -Are you then the ONLY one here who is qualified to contribute? -I don't recall reading the requirements anywhere, -can you point it out to me? -I'd be grateful.
Max believes almost ANYTHING that he sees on youtube apparently. The towers were demolished, there's a vast medical conspiracy that WANTS you to have cancer... it's laughable.
Max, as for me not ever experiencing doubt; you're wrong. -I doubt quite a lot, and I doubt that the reasons behind this video are truly altruistic. -Nobody would do that other than to try and make money.
Interesting that these are not the only fora where you're a laughing stock, btw.
As for me, I prefer proof over hyperbolic conjecture and wild-eyed scaremongering.
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339774 is a reply to message #339764 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 10:26 |
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| ssltech wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 07:57 |
Dan, how many family members do I have to have die of cancer to qualify? -Or does it HAVE to be me? -Are you then the ONLY one here who is qualified to contribute? -I don't recall reading the requirements anywhere, -can you point it out to me? -I'd be grateful.
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Well, personal experience can't be beat since contending with your own mortality has an existential fear to it that losing a loved one doesn't. We've all had that one.
But perhaps if you were somewhat less predictable in your gleeful mocking of absolutely everything Max posts, I personally might take your responses to him as having some meaning other than an old, old grudge. Max posts, Keith mocks, as reliable as 1+1=2.
Access to a computer is the only requirement. But thoughtful contribution might require more. Or not. I suppose that depends on the nature of one's "contribution".
Let me reiterate something someone told me last year. I met a man at a party who worked at a major pharmaceutical company. As his story unfolded, he was researcher in biological chem who worked in their R&D department. But after his division was instructed to never purse any line of investigation that might lead to cures, but to only focus on symptom maintenance, he moved to their accounting division.
So: you had relatives die of cancer? Me too. No cures? Maybe Max is on to something. You want proof? Then work to change the very nature of our so called "health" enterprise. More money is being spent on establishing the disrepute of anything that can't yet be profited from than on finding a cure.
DS
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist Max Planck, from a speech he delivered in Florence, Italy in 1944, entitled "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Character of Matter)
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all." - Stephen Hawking
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339779 is a reply to message #339774 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 10:43 |
ssltech
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Not so Dan, I hold my tongue on a LOT of what max posts, so you may not realise it, but you're over-reaching with the assertion that I always attack him. -Occasionally I compliment him. -Yes, it happens.
Yes, I want proof. -And so should you.
Let's have Max stand by what he links to, instead of just posting glurge. This is like people who forward emails without checking their veracity. -"Oliver North said during testmony that the US should have been going after Osama Bin Laden" and a thousand other unchecked and untrue things which do the rounds.
-So maybe Max IS onto something... -I would just like some proof. -And his simple assertions should be such an easy thing to prove, yet nobody ever has.
I may resort to sarcasm with max (I'd say that it's more accurately sarcasm rather than invective, but no great matter) but that's because I'm so tired of reading this sort of crap, and I have an expectation of where it's going to go next.
IC's kill music.
The twin towers were demolished from inside.
The Federal Reserve is out to bankrupt America.
Big Pharma wants you to die from cancer.
What's next, Max? -And this time are we going to be honoured with any actual proof?
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339791 is a reply to message #339779 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 11:23 |
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| ssltech wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 08:43 |
Big Pharma wants you to die from cancer.
Keith
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No, big pharma wants you to live with cancer, and be a customer for life.
DS
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist Max Planck, from a speech he delivered in Florence, Italy in 1944, entitled "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Character of Matter)
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all." - Stephen Hawking
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339807 is a reply to message #339272 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 12:02 |
Harland
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Hey Keith,
I googled 'laetrile success', grabbed something off the first page and found a site where people were recounting their experiences with B17 and Apricot seeds. Many of them gave their address or phone number. Here is one example...
"January 17, 2002
Richard Bernier called and reported that he had had a black mole on his face for his whole life. It started getting bigger and bigger and the doctors wanted to operate on it. He started about 14 seeds per day and 300mg of B-17 (apricot Kernel Extract). In less than one month the growing black mole completely went away. His phone number is 860-763-1020."
I didn't call, but if I had cancer I surely would be interested in hearing these people's testimonials.
Also, how do these 'facts' relate to anything?
"As for animals in the wild having fewer cases of cancer: Animals in the wild get EATEN a lot more often. -Animals in the wild also don't get medical treatment for an abundance of ailments which otherwise kill them... Animals in the wild die sooner just like humans do in poorer countries, and just like Americans and Europeans did about a hundred years ago...
Oops, sorry... now I'M bringing facts into it... -sorry!"
Animals in the wild getting eaten has no bearing on their incidence of cancer unless you follow the currently held BS line that everyone will get cancer if they live long enough (how could you ever prove that?) And "Animals in the wild die sooner..." - sooner than what? Most animals die as nature intended unless their environment has been messed up by man, in which case unnatural deaths increase. And "...die sooner just like humans do in poorer countries..." is a generality and a limited fact.
And BTW, do you think big pharma is benign?
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339821 is a reply to message #339807 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 13:04 |
ssltech
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| Harland wrote |
Animals in the wild getting eaten has no bearing on their incidence of cancer unless you follow the currently held BS line that everyone will get cancer if they live long enough
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I absolutely disagree. Getting eaten seriously reduces your chances of getting cancer, and it is utterly extreme to draw the conclusion that I infer that EVERYONE will get cancer if they live long enough.
If -say- 10% of any animal population contracts cancer with no predators, prompt medical treatment and other means of prolonging life-expectancy, then it is only reasonable to assume that if you then shorten life expectancy again, a lesser proportion will live long enough to contract cancer. Lets keep this reasonable; -If you can find a flaw in that argument, I'm all ears.
Keith
| MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36 |
I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..
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| Re: Cancer as a vitamin B17 deficiency??? [message #339836 is a reply to message #339821 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 14:11 |
Harland
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| ssltech wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 14:04 |
I absolutely disagree. Getting eaten seriously reduces your chances of getting cancer, and it is utterly extreme to draw the conclusion that I infer that EVERYONE will get cancer if they live long enough.
If -say- 10% of any animal population contracts cancer with no predators, prompt medical treatment and other means of prolonging life-expectancy, then it is only reasonable to assume that if you then shorten life expectancy again, a lesser proportion will live long enough to contract cancer. Lets keep this reasonable; -If you can find a flaw in that argument, I'm all ears.
Keith
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I do understand your argument and of course it makes sense. It's just that it's not really relevant to the point that the incidence of cancer (and other diseases as well) in wild animals is less than it is now in North American man and his domestic animals. It's the same point that there would likely be a lot more people dying of cancer if they weren't dying on the highways and in wars. There is no epidemic of cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc. in the wild animal kingdom such as in North American man, particularly where their habitat is natural and unpolluted. (to the best of my knowledge, anyway) It is pretty reasonable to attribute, at least in part, man's current state to his exposure to carcinogens and his extreme divergence from a natural diet. It is from this point, plus anecdotal evidence that the author of the video makes his claim.
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