| Drum heads [message #370793] |
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For the past few years I've been using coated 'Ambassador' heads for the top head on all the drums [outter head for the kik] and either "Black Dot" heads or the Evans double ply 'hydrolic' heads with the oil between the two layers for the bottom heads on the toms and a 'Diplomat' for the under snare.
I've been kinda thinking about trying 'Diplomat's for the bottom heads on toms and was wondering if anyone has tried this [before I go spend a buncha money and time].
Thoughts?
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid
"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm
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| Re: Drum heads [message #371177 is a reply to message #371122 ] |
Wed, 10 September 2008 11:40  |
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Fletcher
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| J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 10:06 |
Fletcher, based on your recommendation, I tried the hydraulics on the bottom of my Camcos, and I think it chokes the tone.
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Yeah... in some ways it does... I guess I wasn't specific enough... I only use the "hydraulics" for floor tom [or low floor tom if the drummer has two floor toms].
My bad.
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid
"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm
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| Re: Drum heads [message #371350 is a reply to message #370793 ] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 00:26 |
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wwittman
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| Fletcher wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 08:51 |
For the past few years I've been using coated 'Ambassador' heads for the top head on all the drums [outter head for the kik] and either "Black Dot" heads or the Evans double ply 'hydrolic' heads with the oil between the two layers for the bottom heads on the toms and a 'Diplomat' for the under snare.
I've been kinda thinking about trying 'Diplomat's for the bottom heads on toms and was wondering if anyone has tried this [before I go spend a buncha money and time].
Thoughts?
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absolutely.
the lighter bottom heads definitely make them sound more 'alive'
you can always put a bit of tape or something to DEADEN the bottom head if you find you need to, but i like to start off as alive as possible.
depending on the record, and drummer, i often like Ebony Ambassadors on tom tops, rather than coated ones.
A bit lighter and ringier.
William Wittman
Producer/Engineer
(Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield, Hooters...)
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| Re: Drum heads [message #371412 is a reply to message #370793 ] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 09:41 |
kats
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Out of boredom, I switched out my usual clear ambassador bottom, coated ambassador top to:
Coated ambassador bottom with a coated emperor top. What I did was tune the bottom and top skins to the same note and the nice thing about it is that tuned this way the top skin will be tighter giving a nice stick action. This is my tuning preference because I find (and YMMV) that tuning the resonant and beater skins to the same note helps reduce any weirdness when processing the tracks with compression etc.
I also find that using these heavier skins do not reduce the liveliness at all. It shifts the tone to a more rounded sound without reducing the decay.
Obviously the type of drums make a difference, and my house kit is a set of Yamaha Absolute custom maples. Very resonant drums to begin with.
Tony Katsabanis
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| Re: Drum heads [message #371963 is a reply to message #371785 ] |
Sat, 13 September 2008 08:23 |
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Fletcher
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| Denny W. wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 12:28 |
Actually if you are looking for more ring, a heavier head will give more sustain than a thinner head assuming the same number of plies. In this case, a 10mil clear ambassador would sustain longer than a 7mil clear diplomant. More mass = more inertia. An object in motion tends to stay in motion etc.... I seem to recall from physics class
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This is why I was going with the "black dot" Ambassadors... which did a good job, but were not quite where I want them... and to that end wouldn't an "Emporer" do an even better job of giving me the ring I'm trying to achieve.
Now I'm really confused [and unfortunately don't have someone else's budget where I can experiment endlessly].
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid
"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too. It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm
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