| Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #376525] |
Sat, 04 October 2008 02:10  |
 brett
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At one point i had a bass station , sh-101, juno 106, and my beloved Syntechno Teebee. they are all long gone with the exception of the Teebee. It is a 303 clone in a rack. More than a typical emulation, but the actual electronics in a rack same filters same transitors. Sounds amazing built like a tank in holland. Has CV gate i/o filter input, ring modulator. A 303 with all kinds of advantages over the original little plastic box.
I know this ins't synth forum, but I have had some serious sentimental attachment to this unit. As I use all in the box synths and Audio Unit 303 emulation this thing hasn't had any use in a long long time. It is however earth shaking in the low end compared to the software couterparts and has that weird funky randomness that software just doesn't pull off.
Now all my outboard synths are gone and I am a sell out with a mac pro and lists of software kit! LAME!
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #377679 is a reply to message #377456 ] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 13:17  |
brett
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I found that using analog synths was great when I was doing dance music with big bass requirments. I mostly just created small parts and then tracked that. Arranged them as audio loops or hits. Production took much longer to make all the instruments gel. And there wasn't really any other option then. Using plug-in instruments and samplers became a staple for me within the last few years and sounds are refined and fit together more quickly. So while having those great synths is awesome, most of the well known producers in the dance music or electronica genre are also in the box. Converting old sample libraries to kontact or ESX24.
I worked for a film composer and that was when I realized samplers and analog modeling was the way to go. He had everything you could think of analog wise and it all sat on shelves as they knocked out entire movie sound racks on one g5 or a combination of composers on seperate machines that ran cloned sounds drives. Really well made and articulated sample libraries is the way to go and if you've ever used Native Instruments, Spectrasonics, and the East West stuff, you will quickly realize how fast you can work when not have to dial in sounds on analog gear and then track it, then process it etc etc.
My choice was work flow, and needing money to upgrade to a mac pro 8core. I sold all the old stuff to do it. I have no regrets but I did love playing with those synths. On their own track for track, they sounded best, but what fits in the mix for me was better with virtualware.
I even made a really cool preset on an e-mu sampler using samples from Rebirth a while back. I then did a cool 303 line with it in a song. Doing that kind of thing and working with a composer taught me that using samplers and ananlog modeling was all about creating good presets and having good filters.
I made a killer preset in Reason using my mks-80(jupiter 8 rack). It was so much better than all the presets that came with it. Sounded like an mks-80. So with digital what goes in is what comes out. Smart sampling and preset creation is time well spent. Working for the compoer, he had a string library with jupiter 8 bass samples layered. What you hear in the movie is more of this than the orchestra they record.
Depechmode did the same thing using emu samplers. I know a lot of other bands too numerous to name that do the same thing. You can rent and borrow vintage gear and spend a few days sampling wave forms and using your samplers to model these. But there is so much amazing content out there now as aposed to 5-10 years ago it's easier to get 3 10k rpm 300g velosaraptor hard disks and load them with all the NI, Spectrasonics, East West, and IK media stuff and you'll never run out of sounds. I have been using the Logic synths a lot for vintage tones. They have such good analog wave forms sampled in them. I made a 101 patch that is spot on. Can dial in the diferent waves and sub-osc throw in some LFO and it simply sounds amamzing.
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #377704 is a reply to message #377456 ] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 14:10 |
Sean Eldon Qualls
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| trock wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 16:00 |
fletcher please let all of us knwo when you post your stuff, i am sure there are some incredible pieces!
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I was, of course, hoping he'd put the not-so-incredible pieces up first...
Sean Eldon
Mercenary Audio
sean@mercenary.com
"Gearslutz -- Where the uneducated go to fight it out with the misinformed." - Dave Hecht
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #381283 is a reply to message #376525 ] |
Sat, 25 October 2008 21:56 |
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JGauthier
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I still work like a dinosaur... I have a mac pro and PT HD but do 100% of my sequencing on a Korg Triton. Its the master controller of 9 synths- all outboard- 2 analog (alpha juno 1 and minimoog model d). I have yet to crack open a soft synth consistently but thats mainly because when you sequence on a synth for 20 years, its hard to change. Especially when you know your synths so well...
That said, if I were a composer primarily, I would do exactly as you have done. Analog rules but cannot compare to the current level of options and work flow. For fun, production quality, and feel- I will never change but if I had to do that film composer slave work- I would live in a sampler...
And whether we like it or not, at least 90% of the population could care less and thats who our real clients are...
My favorite synth of all is my Minimoog. No question. CV, no midi, no patch memory, crazy limits on modulation and routing but Ill be damned if it doesn't sonically beat the crap out of everything else in my rig- just for my own synthesis pleasure. I wouldn't want it as my only synth but its definitely my favorite!
Experience is king
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #382821 is a reply to message #382430 ] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 06:56 |
dlmorley
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I have a pretty large selection of analogs and have to say, if they don't float your boat, move on! They do it for me (especially modular stuff) but it suits my workflow etc. However I work slowly on my own music. If I have to do something that has a deaadline for TV or whatever, I will basically go for softsynths as they are recallable and in some cases quicker to get ideas down.
Some nice modern synths around and it's all about what serves you best.
So, have no worries. Move on! You can always find another analog down the line anyway.
www.davidmorley.com
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #385292 is a reply to message #376525 ] |
Thu, 13 November 2008 15:48 |
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I still have my original Roland 303 drum machine, and it’s a funk machine at best.
You got to admit though, the new breed of emulations sound awesome too. A couple of the newer VSTi synths from Spectrasonic sound mind boggling, and my new Addictive drums is clearly a wow factor!
But… the low bass drones from my Roland sound unbeatable too. Truly, power packed. Maybe it’s the un-dithered DAC in it? Hahahha That beautiful truncated sand paper roughness galore.. how can one beat that?
FWIW, my TC Powercore’s - Access Virus synth sounds amazing! But, the actual rack version has something in its sound that, I find still find missing in the Powercore version. Dunno why?
I say, keep the analogue hardware versions if viable..
regards,
KAYO
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #385380 is a reply to message #385292 ] |
Fri, 14 November 2008 02:55 |
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Tomas Danko
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| KAyo wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 21:48 |
I still have my original Roland 303 drum machine, and it’s a funk machine at best.
You got to admit though, the new breed of emulations sound awesome too. A couple of the newer VSTi synths from Spectrasonic sound mind boggling, and my new Addictive drums is clearly a wow factor!
But… the low bass drones from my Roland sound unbeatable too. Truly, power packed. Maybe it’s the un-dithered DAC in it? Hahahha That beautiful truncated sand paper roughness galore.. how can one beat that?
FWIW, my TC Powercore’s - Access Virus synth sounds amazing! But, the actual rack version has something in its sound that, I find still find missing in the Powercore version. Dunno why?
I say, keep the analogue hardware versions if viable..
regards,
KAYO
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The TC Powercore Virus does not have all the routing capabilities compared to the hardware (ie less complex modulation possibilities), and it is also lacking the Moog type filter which makes quite a big difference.
Having said that, it's a wonderful synth. Together with my Access Virus Polar TI, they make up for the lion share of all synth sounds I use.
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| Re: Selling the my last analog synth...sad day! [message #385492 is a reply to message #385292 ] |
Fri, 14 November 2008 13:52 |
brett
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| KAyo wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 21:48 |
I still have my original Roland 303 drum machine, and it’s a funk machine at best.
You got to admit though, the new breed of emulations sound awesome too. A couple of the newer VSTi synths from Spectrasonic sound mind boggling, and my new Addictive drums is clearly a wow factor!
But… the low bass drones from my Roland sound unbeatable too. Truly, power packed. Maybe it’s the un-dithered DAC in it? Hahahha That beautiful truncated sand paper roughness galore.. how can one beat that?
FWIW, my TC Powercore’s - Access Virus synth sounds amazing! But, the actual rack version has something in its sound that, I find still find missing in the Powercore version. Dunno why?
I say, keep the analogue hardware versions if viable..
regards,
KAYO
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are you talking about the mc-303? I had one when they came out.... kind of toy at best. The other roland groove boxes were much better, the like the mc-909. None of these would be considered vintage or collectible.
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