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Sun, 05 October 2008 15:05

Jonah A. Kort
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do you think it matters in terms of the mix position? (I know the

answer is, a lot) I have my speakers 3 feet apart and I sit in

the spot where my head is 3 feet from each speaker. The monitors

middle of the speaker at eye level. Everything feels the best

there and I have the best posture too because I have to sit up

straight to heard everything "correctly."

Thoughts?

-jonah

Cheers

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Re: When mixing (part 2) how much... [message #376801 is a reply to message #376772 ]

Sun, 05 October 2008 17:37

j.hall
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perfect. but the room matters greatly, and the placement of the speakers within the room.

j.hall
Theta Rhythm

"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Sun, 05 October 2008 18:28

Jonah A. Kort
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j.hall wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 17:37

perfect.

? what's perfect j.?

Cheers

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Re: When mixing (part 2) how much... [message #376817 is a reply to message #376814 ]

Sun, 05 October 2008 18:47

J-Texas
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Dude... it depends on so much shit it ain't funny.

Dimensions of the room? Carpet? Drapes? Materials? Distance of speakers from front wall... blah, blah, blah............

check out www.ethanwiner.com That should keep you busy for about a month, but I bet it sounds better.

2 cents.

Jason Thompson
www.4141studios.com

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Mon, 06 October 2008 01:41

NelsonL
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In my experience the sweet spot is proportionally smaller in relation to room size. This is anecdotal mind you, but I've helped a bit on a few build-outs and that's my observation.

http://www.zillastudios.com/

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Mon, 06 October 2008 09:56

j.hall
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Jonah A. Kort wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 18:28

j.hall wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 17:37

perfect.

? what's perfect j.?

your equilateral triangle

j.hall
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"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Mon, 06 October 2008 09:56

j.hall
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Jonah A. Kort wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 18:28

j.hall wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 17:37

perfect.

? what's perfect j.?

your equilateral triangle

j.hall
Theta Rhythm

"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Mon, 06 October 2008 11:06

j.hall
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just put a meter on my "low level" monitoring. it's between 63 - 68dB, if that helps anyone.

my "high level" monitoring is right at 98dB

C weighted, slow response.

j.hall
Theta Rhythm

"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Mon, 06 October 2008 11:14

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it's important when designing the room/tuning the room to get an even tonal balance. otherwise you will constantly chase your tail. also, what the clients hear will be not what you hear and you will always be at odds with one another.

another idea to keep in mind- the small details are not the music. one of the great realities of making a record is that it will never, ever sound the same as it does when it leaves your place- all rooms and speakers will be different. so it your mix leans on small details, you will not have a good mix. this is the real virtue of listening in mono on speakers that have good tonal balance but are short on detail (such as the ns-10).

If your mix only sounds good in a postage stamp sized area and you are holding your head still like a retriever to listen, your mixes will never be very compelling.

Try this. Get an ns-10, put it somewhere over your left shoulder about 6-8 feet away, and do all your eq and balances before you start panning and developing the stereo space. You will be amazed how much easier, faster, and better your mixes become.

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Mon, 06 October 2008 20:30

j.hall
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i don't know about all that. i mean, in theory you are right. but i work on quested H108's with a velodyne sub off an adcom amp fed by a mytek coverter, in a pretty darn good sounding room and my work sounds REALLY close anywhere i reference it outside of this room.

i think learning your room and learning your speakers is key.

j.hall
Theta Rhythm

"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Fri, 17 October 2008 11:05

Tim Dolbear
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I agree, all that does matter, but knowing your room, is key.

My room was pro designed and is the best room I've been in yet, it does make a huge difference, the room that is.

see picture...if he can do what he does... in that room...makes ya wonder...

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Tim Dolbear - Eclectica Studios Austin Texas

myspace.com/Tim - Eclectica Studios

eclectica studios

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"Just because you have a nice kitchen, don't mean you know how to cook" TD

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Fri, 17 October 2008 14:57

j.hall
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Eclectica Studios wrote on Fri, 17 October 2008 11:05

HAHAHAHA

i've heard his work, and understand completely how he does it in that room.

question is, does his work sound that bad in the room or just out of the room.

more appropriately, is he that hit or miss in the room, or does it all sound good?

j.hall
Theta Rhythm

"You have a great ear for vibe and feel and space. I'm not looking for any of that right now."

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Fri, 17 October 2008 17:11

SingSing
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Everyone would love to have a million dollar listening position, but that ain't likely to happen. With that in mind, like so many already have said, the most important issue is to take get rid of the most prominent anomalies. From there on it's mainly learning your conditions so your mixes translate.

In my experience a majority of producers hardly know the difference between ins and outs, yet they use their artistic toolbox to produce albums that both sound 'good' and sell extremely well.

Stefan
SingSing

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