| big thick guitars in mix [message #207188] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 11:41  |
 swill777
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question, so what is the secret to getting the guitars to sound big and thick in the mix. right now I have one panned all the way left L90, and one all the way right R90, bass in the middle, snare in the middle, kick in the middle, overheads panned L70, R70, and backups panel L35 and R35. So, I was thinking about sending the L guitar with a little delay to R50 and turning it down like 50%, and doing the same for the R guitar.. sending it L50 with a little delay 50% down.. then I will esentially have 4 guitar tracks and more of the spectrum filled up.
any other suggestions.. the guitars sound good.. meaning the tone, but just not like one of those commercial recordings you hear on the radio.. I imagine they have a TON of guitar tracks.. but how do they get that "sound". I was also thinking about eq'ing the 2 new virtual guitar tracks a little different too.. maybe with some more mid-low end to give it more substance.
what do you guys think?
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| Re: big thick guitars in mix [message #207228 is a reply to message #207188 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 13:19  |
scottoliphant
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I have listened to them both ways.. I mean of course they sound better solo'd... but, I really am going for that driving thick modern guitar sound and was wondering if there is a way to achieve it with panning/delay, compression, etc... the tone of the guitars is ok and the freqencies are there.
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. was the guitar and the part itself a "thick modern guitar sound"?
Scott Oliphant
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| Re: big thick guitars in mix [message #207252 is a reply to message #207188 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 14:15 |
scottoliphant
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yeah, I mean, the guitar sounds aren't huge and were done with a line6 processor with the insane setting
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question, so what is the secret to getting the guitars to sound big and thick in the mix
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If you can re-record, give it a shot, without the line 6. Any chance you can get your hands on a R121? A friend turned me on the 121 + 57 combo. might be up your alley.
Scott Oliphant
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| Re: big thick guitars in mix [message #207257 is a reply to message #207248 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 14:20 |
sonny
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| swill777 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 20:09 |
and yes, the line6 puts out a pretty think modern guitar sound used direct-in. plus, I have always been told to high-pass from 100-160 off the guitars anyway to make room for the bass guitar and kick mic.
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Not so sure about the "always" in this. Always use a high pass filter? I find that to be really noticable and takes away from the tone - obviously dependent up the end sound. What about recording it with the bass turned down a bit?
As for big guitars, if the sound is already OK then they should be big enough surely. A really nice compressor should help. Something like a Gates Sta Level or Neve 2254s, but that's only going to give an extra 5-10%.
Is it possible to re-amp them and record them soudning big again?
Sonny
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| Re: big thick guitars in mix [message #207258 is a reply to message #207188 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 14:21 |
swill777
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Ok, thanks for the tips.
So, If I re-record.. and get an awesome huge modern sound.. like I get from my dual recto 4x12 with a sm57, and I record 3 guitar tracks per guitarist.. so your talking 6 total, 3 for 1 guitar and 3 for the other.. how should these be panned, eq'd, and mixed in to produce that "1" guitar per side huge sound. I can also use another amp for 1 or 2 of the tracks to give it some variety.. the mixing of all this is what is concerning me..
also, should I high pass everything over, 100, 130, 160??? what.. at what point am I going to start taking away the "balls" from the guitar sound?
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| Re: big thick guitars in mix [message #207262 is a reply to message #207188 ] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 14:31 |
sonny
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I'd say record just the two guitar. That will keep them tight and as long as they sound fat recorded, there you have. A bit of compression to help perhaps, touch of tonal contouring to smooth it in with the rest of the band (I certainly wouldn't high pass filter as you'll lose some balls just doing that). Pan not quite hard L&R.
Oh and if you do re-record, do it in a nice room with a nice room mic position and then pan the room mic to the opposite side, but not quite as hard L&R. That should bring the two together to be more of a one big sound.
Sonny
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