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new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307336]

Sun, 20 January 2008 15:15

TotalSonic
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So, based on reports from NAMM 2008, looks like Empirical Labs actually listened to a bunch of folks calling for having the de-esser from the Lil Freq placed into a 500-series module called the "DerrEsser." Apparently it has all the same controls as the Lil Freq de-esser section, plus a sidechain listen button so you can hear the target freqs, and the ability to LP or HP the sidechain listen so you can listen from either direction.

Street price hasn't been announced yet -but I'm pretty sure I'm going to grab a couple of these puppies and put them in an A-designs 2module 1RU rack when it's released in about 60 days, as I really want a decent sounding analog de-essing option - and the Maselec MDS-2 is simply more cash than what I want to spend (and doesn't seem to offer lots of ability to tweak it either).

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/namm-2008/49032d1200860297-anything-anyone-want-photod-videod-inquired-about-bderresser-copy.jpg

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Steve Berson

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307354 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Sun, 20 January 2008 17:09

Steffen
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thats cool...I´m also still looking for a good deesser. weiss ds1 does not fit my budget right now. is the retail price known already?

sonnox (if plugin is an option for you) is also coming with a new deesser.

http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/images/supresser-400w.jpg

http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/News-17JAN08.htm

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307355 is a reply to message #307354 ]

Sun, 20 January 2008 17:26

TotalSonic
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Steffen wrote on Sun, 20 January 2008 18:09

thats cool...I´m also still looking for a good deesser. weiss ds1 does not fit my budget right now. is the retail price known already?

Nope - it hasn't been announced yet. fwiw - most 500 modules I've seen seem to be in the $750 street price range - so I'm guessing it would be somewhere around there for this one too (although again I don't really know).

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sonnox (if plugin is an option for you) is also coming with a new deesser.

I saw this and it definitely seems interesting (although I would be forced to change my DAW's from Win2k to XP and get an iLok to run the Sonnox - which seems to be what I'll have to do if I want to run some other recently issued plugins anyway). I have bunches of digital options right now that give decent results - just looking for something in the analog in particular as for me this often gives better work flow and sound (with the Lil Freq's de-esser known to be one of the best out there) - and often I like to have de-essing fairly early in the chain - which isn't possible to do with a plugin if the mixes are coming in on 1/4" or 1/2".

Best regards,
Steve Berson

http://www.totalsonicmastering.com
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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307373 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Sun, 20 January 2008 19:32

compasspnt
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If people would use fewer nylon, or especially perf metal pop screens, they would need fewer de-essers.

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307392 is a reply to message #307373 ]

Sun, 20 January 2008 22:20

TotalSonic
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compasspnt wrote on Sun, 20 January 2008 20:32

If people would use fewer nylon, or especially perf metal pop screens, they would need fewer de-essers.

Or tracks recorded with mics made with Chinese capsules that they decide to crank the 4k up on for some "presence"!

Sorry - whether folks like it or not - I need a good de-esser!

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Steve Berson

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307434 is a reply to message #307373 ]

Mon, 21 January 2008 03:28

Tomas Danko
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compasspnt wrote on Mon, 21 January 2008 01:32

If people would use fewer nylon, or especially perf metal pop screens, they would need fewer de-essers.

I'd rather have them come up with a de-effer. So that I can get rid of all the f's in the recordings I get.

"T(Z)= (n1+n2*Z^-1+n2*Z^-2)/(1+d1*z^-1+d2*z^-2)" - Mr. Dan Lavry
"Shaw baa laa raaw, sidle' yaa doot in dee splaa" . Mr Shooby Taylor

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307445 is a reply to message #307434 ]

Mon, 21 January 2008 05:27

Bill_Urick
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FWIW, Massey's next plug should be a de-esser.

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307745 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Mon, 21 January 2008 22:06

Fibes
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Are S's so bad?

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307769 is a reply to message #307745 ]

Mon, 21 January 2008 23:42

soundroid
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they are for vinyl masters.

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #307995 is a reply to message #307769 ]

Tue, 22 January 2008 16:54

Garrett H
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I had the Lil'Freq here for review and I'll tell you they were very clean and hi-fi sounding. Dave Doerr knows his sugar.

GH

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #340313 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Sat, 10 May 2008 20:12

TotalSonic
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Well - I've had a pair of these babies for a couple weeks now and got to say these are definite keepers - they keep the integrity of the mix even when put across the 2-bus - are nicely effective - and I've really been liking these for the most part a good bit more than digital options I've tried (i.e. Digital Fishphones Spitfish, Waves, SPL, various multiband comps, dbx Quantum hardware, etc.) - plus they are a bit more tweekable and lot more affordable than the Maselec MDS-2 (which is one of the other few analog de-essing solutions I'd consider).

Street price turned out to be $650 a module - I spent an extra $450 for an Avedis R52 (1RU 2 module psu) - so total for a stereo pair racked was $1750. You can save $150 by getting the A-Designs rack but the Avedis was made in the USA, has a slightly beefier power supply, and the black rack face better matched the Derr-essers cosmetically.

So - for those looking for an affordable analog de-essing solution that is more than good enough in mastering applications - and sounds better for most tracks (at least to my ear) than many digital alternatives - the DerrEssers have my whole hearted recommendation.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

http://www.totalsonicmastering.com
http://www.myspace.com/invertstrings
http://www.invertmusic.org

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #340315 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Sat, 10 May 2008 20:21

Cass Anawaty
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Thanks, Steve. I haven't found a plug that has worked for me yet--might be time to go another route.

Cass Anawaty, Chief Engineer
Sunbreak Music, LLC
High Resolution Stereo and Surround Mastering
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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #340352 is a reply to message #307336 ]

Sun, 11 May 2008 03:09

Viitalahde
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Location: Helsinki, Finland

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That looks like a nice option, and I'm very interested. I could save some cash and rack'em up myself, I'd imagine.

The de-essing frequency seems to go pretty low! I'd love to have something like this around when I get in stuff that is wild around 1k-2k..

Jaakko Viitalähde

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Re: new de-esser from Empirical Labs [message #340564 is a reply to message #340315 ]

Mon, 12 May 2008 05:49

Tomas Danko
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Cass Anawaty wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 02:21

Thanks, Steve. I haven't found a plug that has worked for me yet--might be time to go another route.

There are two new kids on the block:

http://www.eiosis.com/e2deesser
http://www.proaudiodsp.com/

And with new, I mean they both do it in a way no unit or software has done before.

I am very interested in trying the Eiosis e2deesser.

"T(Z)= (n1+n2*Z^-1+n2*Z^-2)/(1+d1*z^-1+d2*z^-2)" - Mr. Dan Lavry
"Shaw baa laa raaw, sidle' yaa doot in dee splaa" . Mr Shooby Taylor

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