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| Bill_Urick wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 04:55 |
Interesting points. From reading this thread the biggest impression I have, as always, is the the level of venom coming from the left side of the console. 
JJ, as an enlightened liberal who stands for equality and dignity for all mankind, don't you think your remarks are a little sexist?
I would expect more rejoicing over a gaff of the magnitude "ya'll" seem to think McCain has committed.
Instead I sense anger and outrage.
The important point here is how the VP selection effects the electability of each presidential candidate.
From this standpoint, Obama has erred and McCain has enhanced his position. More later, have to work today.
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A very interesting post. Unsurprisingly, the venom appears to me to be coming from the right side of the console, and most of it is right there in that quote. What a surprise.
I think this is all beside the point. Its pretty obvious no one has gotten behind Obama for his experience. His oratory, like JFK's and MLKs, is what's gotten people's pulses going a little faster. He inspires people. His speech Thursday night was unlike any a politcian has given in this country. JFK wasn't particularly experienced either when he got to the big house, and had a lot of learning to do very fast to understand the forces at work around him. He didn't learn fast enough, it appears.
The bigger mystery to me is what has happened to John McCain, formerly an articulate and vital man and who I, a recently as earlier this year, considered to be the last hope left for the decaying Republican party. His own party threw him to the dogs in 2000, when his being elected might have made a difference for the country, and they appear to have done it again. This bizarre choice just underscores that there's something going on there that's not quite kosher. Maybe he just really is too old for this. But I miss him.
The way Gore didn't defend himself from the incredible lies being told about him in 2000 (McCain tried but no one listened), the half-hearted campaigns that Kerry ran in 2004 and McCain is running now, its enough to make one think the paranoiacs are right and that these things are decided beforehand by a group of who-knows-what that we have no access to.
What I found really appalling was watching this Alaskan girl's face being so smug as she talked about her son going to Iraq, sacrificing him for the ability to brag about him. Blech. There was a time when McCain wouldn't have been associated with something so dim-witted. He was always able to bring a little more depth to the politicking. No more.
EDIT: I think Obama brings even more depth. A conversation between him and the McCain that used to be would have been good for everyone. But watching McCain's moves now, I no longer think that what we do matters much. I suspect these things are decided in corporate office suites and are based on ways of manipulating public perception so as to shift our money one way or another, but mostly just away from us and to the corporate elite. And so in the end, what matters most is who is leading China, and how much they think they still need us. Our own conservative financial experts have abandoned us (and needless to say, our men in uniform), and made billions doing it.
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| Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick [message #368142 is a reply to message #367805 ] |
Sat, 30 August 2008 11:03 |
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From the rabidly leftist LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mccainassess30-20 08aug30,0,7090723.story
""Americans like risk-takers, but they also want to know that in times of crisis, you're going to be calm," said Matthew Dowd, who was a senior campaign strategist for President Bush but is neutral in the McCain-Obama race."
WTF? Neutral?
DS
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist Max Planck, from a speech he delivered in Florence, Italy in 1944, entitled "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Character of Matter)
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all." - Stephen Hawking
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| Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick [message #368144 is a reply to message #368134 ] |
Sat, 30 August 2008 11:09 |
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JFK wasn't particularly experienced either when he got to the big house, and had a lot of learning to do very fast to understand the forces at work around him.
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Neither was Lincoln, another first term Senator when elected.
But, in the case of JFK, you can see how judgment overrides experience, during the Cuban missile crisis. He was able to fend off hawks on his staff, like Curtis Le May, who were as anxious to start a shooting war with the USSR as Cheney and Rumsfeld were to start one with Iraq.
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| Re: Sarah Palin is McLazarus' VP pick [message #368147 is a reply to message #367805 ] |
Sat, 30 August 2008 11:14 |
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Hey, the Dems ran a woman in 1984, the Repugs took 24 years to catch up. Does this remind anyone of the saying we used to hear about Windows 2000, and the Mac vs. PC "debate"?
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"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist Max Planck, from a speech he delivered in Florence, Italy in 1944, entitled "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Character of Matter)
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all." - Stephen Hawking
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Sat, 30 August 2008 14:00 |
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As a Born Again Christian I would not want, not for one second, to have Palin as VP or P. Nor McCain.
No less a person that Pat Buchanan thinks Obama "nailed it" during his speech at the Democratic Convention.
BUCHANAN: “I stand with Obama! It was a genuinely outstanding speech, it was magnificent. I saw Cuomo’s speech, I saw Kennedy in ‘80, I even saw Douglas MacArthur, I saw MLK; this is the greatest convention speech and probably the most important because unlike Cuomo and the others, this was an acceptance speech, this came out of the heart of America, and he went right at the heart of America. This wasn’t a liberal speech at all. This is a deeply, deeply centrist speech. It had wit, it had humor, and when he used the needle on McCain, he stuck it into McCain and it was funny. It was Kennedy’s speech in ‘80. I laughed with Kennedy when he was needling Ronald Reagan.”
I don't see Buchanan saying anything like that about Palin... ever...
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Sat, 30 August 2008 14:04 |
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| RPhilbeck wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 07:10 |
| J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 23:03 |
But the fact that she's an evangelical christian should be enough to want to keep her as far from the office of president as possible.
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Forget about experience and focus on accomplishments. B.O can't even hold a candle to Palin. The guy has done zilch. Furthermore, none of you knew anything about this woman until yesterday, which is not enough time to understand who she is or what she has done. We've known B.O. for a number of years now and can still see he hasn't done shit.
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Obama hasn't done anything? OK, let's just put this ridiculous notion to rest here & now:
Barak Obama's Accomplishments & Career/Bio
- Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.
- After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
- His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.
- Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
- Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.
- As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.
- He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.
- Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.
- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
- Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
- Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
- Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.
- Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
- Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.
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Biography
Barack Obama (born August 4, 1961) is a U.S. Senator from Illinois. He is a member of the main Democratic Party. He has received international media coverage for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still an Illinois state senator.
As a senior lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago law school, Obama won the open Senate seat by defeating former ambassador Alan Keyes. He is the only African American who is currently serving in the U.S. Senate, and the fifth in the entire United States history and the third since Reconstruction. The 2004 U.S. Senate election in Illinois made history as the first Senate election to feature black nominees from both major parties. Obama won the election in a landslide, with 70% of the vote to Keyes' 27%. He is junior senator to Richard Durbin.
Obama is married to Michelle Obama, a Chicago native. They have two daughters: Malia Ann (born in 1999) and Natasha (born 2001).
His Early life
Barack Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii to Harvard-educated economist Barack Obama, Sr., a native of Kenya, and S. Ann Dunham, of Kansas. Ms. Dunham is a distant descendant of Jefferson Davis, the first and only president of the Confederate States of America; she is also part Cherokee Indian.
At the time of Obama's birth, both his parents were students at the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. "Barack" means "blessed" in Swahili.
Of his years in Hawaii, Obama has written, "The irony is that my decision to work in politics, and to pursue such a career in a big Mainland city, in some sense grows out of my Hawaiian upbringing, and the ideal that Hawaii still represents in my mind."
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father eventually returned to Kenya, and he saw his son only once more before his death in 1982. Ann Obama married another East-West Center student from Indonesia. The family then moved to Jakarta, where Obama's half-sister Maya was born (Obama has other half-siblings from his father's later marriages). When Obama was ten he returned to Hawaii under the care of his grandparents, and later his mother, for the better educational opportunities. He was enrolled in the fifth grade at Punahou School, a prestigious academy that once taught the Hawaiian royal family. He graduated with honors.
His College experience and career
Upon finishing high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College in California, before transferring to Columbia University in New York City. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, he moved to Chicago, where he took up community organizing in the Altgeld Gardens housing project on the city's South Side. While in Chicago, he joined the Trinity United Church of Christ.
He left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University, where he was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated Magna Cum Laude. While working one summer at a corporate law firm in 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson, whom he married in 1992. Robinson is also a graduate of Harvard Law.
While in Chicago as a community organizer once again, Obama organized an aggressive voter registration effort that aided in the election of President Bill Clinton and Senator Carol Moseley Braun. The campaign registered over 100,000 voters. Soon after, his talents earned him a position at a local civil rights law firm, and he became a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, where he served as a professor until his election to the U.S. Senate.
Barack Obama and Politics
Illinois General Assembly
In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park, in Chicago. He served as chairman of the Public Health and Welfare Committee when the Democrats regained control of the chamber. The Chicago Tribune called him "one of the General Assembly's most impressive members."
Regarded as a staunch liberal during his tenure in the legislature, he helped to author a state Earned Income Tax Credit which provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance. Speaking up for leading gay and lesbian advocacy groups, he successfully helped pass bills to increase funding for AIDS prevention and care programs.
In 2000, he ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic primary for Illinois' 1st Congressional district against incumbent Representative Bobby Rush.
After the loss, Obama rededicated his efforts to the state Senate. He authored one of the most progressive death penalty reform laws in the nation, under the guidance of his mentor, former U.S. Senator Paul Simon. He also pushed through legislation that would force insurance companies to cover routine mammograms.
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Sat, 30 August 2008 14:06 |
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Here's Karl Rove arguing why Palin shouldn't be VP.
These are Rove's remarks when he thought Tim Kaine would be Obama's VP choice:
"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it’s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It’s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?"
From Crooks And Liars (crooksandliars.com):
As we now know, Barack Obama chose Joe Biden as his VP, probably the least political choice he could have made, and probably the best governing choice he could have made. John McCain, on the other hand, is the one who made the “intensely political choice” by choosing Sara Palin — a political newcomer and self-described “hockey mom” who has less than two years of governing experience and ZERO foreign policy experience — all because the political winds dictated that “change” was going to trump “experience” this election.
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